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Pagan Saints
The Cripplegate ^ | July 19,2012 | Nathan Busenitz

Posted on 01/21/2015 4:47:04 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: CynicalBear
Answer the question. Why would the Christians in India evangelized by St. Thomas the Apostle adopt *Roman* paganism?
61 posted on 01/21/2015 6:30:57 PM PST by Claud
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To: Claud

“Oh we can all bask in these vague conspiracy theories, but it’s quite another matter to cite a primary source to back it up.”

No problem.

It ain’t in God’s inspired Scriptures - none of it.
It didn’t exist before 100 ad - so it isn’t the Apostle’s Teaching or tradition.
Ergo, it came from outside the church.

“Go find a writer from the 4th century who saw this happening and said something about it. Go ahead. I’ll wait. “

Not necessary. You can research paganism in that era and after you read about it, just ask yourself this question:

If it didn’t come from God, how did it get into the church?


62 posted on 01/21/2015 6:31:49 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Claud
Calvin was a devotee of St. Augustine....did he not read St. Augustine's homilies on the feast days of the saints?

On Sundays, I used to read the comics but never was much of a cartoonist.

If the ancient, pure religion was corrupted by Roman paganism...and "syncretistic" practices were introduced, then why in Sam Hill did none of the ancient writers complain about it?

You mean like the Holy Spirit wrote via John in The Revelation of Jesus Christ? To the seven churches in Asia?

Let's face it: paganism is paganism whether it started in Rome or Babylon or earlier.
63 posted on 01/21/2015 6:31:52 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Arthur McGowan

I hope your series of links has St Barbara. Know the story well as an Artilleryman I am a recipient of the order of St Barbara.


64 posted on 01/21/2015 6:32:12 PM PST by redleghunter (Your faith has saved you. Go in peace. (Luke 7:50))
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To: MamaB

Worse then yucky MamaB.........why would the membership not speak out against this form of idolatry? It’s obviously offensive and sacrilegious. But then the obvious escapes them because it’s leadership, as with so much of their false teaching, determines what is catholic and what is not.

Strikes me that here on FR they can see the falsehood and fiction of Obama...but within their church they cannot determine it’s fraud.


65 posted on 01/21/2015 6:32:36 PM PST by caww
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To: Resettozero
No, they don't talk back to us.

In the case of Mother Cabrini, their intercession can lead to the regeneration of chemically-destroyed eyeballs.

See the case of Peter Smith.

66 posted on 01/21/2015 6:33:02 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Claud
>>Why would the Christians in India evangelized by St. Thomas the Apostle adopt *Roman* paganism? Why would the Christians in India evangelized by St. Thomas the Apostle adopt *Roman* paganism?<<

Check out what Christ said to the seven churches in Revelation to see how soon they went off track. For that matter Paul already had a church off track.

67 posted on 01/21/2015 6:33:50 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Augustine was born after syncretic paganism was incorporated into catholicism.

Oh, so Augustine was bang on when it came to Grace, but was an idolater? Dang, Calvin was more daft than I thought.

If I do nothing else this thread I'm not going let this unmitigated lie masquerade as a historical fact. If you make a claim like this you back it up with primary sources.

When exactly was paganism incorporated? I want dates. I want names. I want places. I want 4th century authors who describe this process at work.

68 posted on 01/21/2015 6:37:36 PM PST by Claud
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To: DuncanWaring
In the case of Mother Cabrini, their intercession can lead to the regeneration of chemically-destroyed eyeballs. See the case of Peter Smith.

No thanks on the link, but whose intercession are you referring to?

Already familiar with enough of how Santería "works".
69 posted on 01/21/2015 6:38:49 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: caww

Because they are afraid to rock the boat. They have to believe everything Rome says or they go to hell. I really feel sorry for them. I am way too curious to believe everything I am told or things I read. I want to know who, what, when, where and how. Guess I should add another one, why.


70 posted on 01/21/2015 6:38:57 PM PST by MamaB
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To: redleghunter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Barbara


71 posted on 01/21/2015 6:39:05 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: RnMomof7

It’s not not just Roman pganism.

The similarities to Buddhist ritual is very strong.

The role given Mary is analogous to Guan Yin.

I think it was something that came with the growth and spread of Christianity.


72 posted on 01/21/2015 6:40:07 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: CynicalBear
Check out what Christ said to the seven churches in Revelation to see how soon they went off track. For that matter Paul already had a church off track.

Yeah and you know how we know that? Because Paul wrote letters to them.

Now go find me a letter written by a 4th century author telling everyone else to knock off this "saint worship" that was allegedly just creeping into the Church.

73 posted on 01/21/2015 6:40:50 PM PST by Claud
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To: Claud
When exactly was paganism incorporated? I want dates. I want names. I want places. I want 4th century authors who describe this process at work.

Let bygones be bygones. It's time to advance into 5th century scholarship, don't you think.
74 posted on 01/21/2015 6:40:57 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Claud
" Oh, so Augustine was bang on when it came to Grace, but was an idolater? Dang, Calvin was more daft than I thought."

Like most of the "fathers", sometimes he was right and sometimes he was wrong.

"If I do nothing else this thread I'm not going let this unmitigated lie masquerade as a historical fact. If you make a claim like this you back it up with primary sources."

If your truth claim is that it is a lie, prove it. Go to the entire book Calvin wrote - linked in the article - and go to his sources.

"When exactly was paganism incorporated? I want dates. I want names. I want places. I want 4th century authors who describe this process at work. "

Do you want to be spoon-fed too? Go to the primary source quoted and read.

75 posted on 01/21/2015 6:41:40 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Resettozero

Whose intercession? The team of God and Mother Cabrini.

Regarding the link, I provided information to back-up my assertion. If you wish to ignore it, it’s your loss, not mine.


76 posted on 01/21/2015 6:42:06 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Resettozero

I thought Catholics had the book in their Bible that tells them to smear fish entrails on their eyes. Wait, that’s for cataracts right?


77 posted on 01/21/2015 6:42:50 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: RnMomof7
In order for Calvinism to make any sense at all it is important that the doctrine is explicated with precise, well-defined terms and exacting and rigorous logic.

The saints that Catholics revere, when given reverence in the correct way, are not revered in any way like what the pagan deities were revered or idolized.

If you're going to demand high rigor to support your particular viewpoint, then you should give the same consideration to opposing viewpoints as well.

78 posted on 01/21/2015 6:43:08 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Claud

“Syncretistic” Maybe the Jews were “syncretistic” when they came up with that idea about monotheism. They just borrowed it from the Egyptians. That tale about the flood...it came from Gilgamesh.


79 posted on 01/21/2015 6:45:11 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: MamaB

The tactics are common among cults and false religions...there must always be a degree of fear for leaving.....forgetting that when God calls us “out” He has something for us ahead which cannot be so until we “move” our feet.


80 posted on 01/21/2015 6:45:48 PM PST by caww
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