Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
See a in a few years then?
Promise????
I’m sorry brother...
Clearly I should have been specific. Mary had come to believe in Christ without the benefit of witnessing a single miracle or sermon... because she believed in Jesus before Jesus was even born.
In this way she was very much unlike the Apostles.
Well.............bye
Neither does one require an imagination to detect obstinacy on the part of one who is reasonably well-written and aware, who refuses to abide by the terms of the forum.
“Turn the other cheek then.”
I have managed to do that many times, through the grace of God, but I thought we had agreed that I am not a saint. Sometimes I have a bad day, or a remark is egregious beyond my ability to let pass without comment.
I notice that many others here seem to be in a similar position.
“Neither does one require an imagination to detect obstinacy on the part of one who is reasonably well-written and aware, who refuses to abide by the terms of the forum.”
I suppose that would be true, if such a person were in this discussion. If you are implying that I refuse to abide by the terms of the forum, that is simply untrue...as so many of your remarks have been.
It’s certainly possible to correct what is in one’s opinion bad theology, an error or misperception, and even let someone know exactly what one thinks about a given statement, while remaining within the terms of the forum. The vast majority of us who comment here manage to comply, regardless of where we’re coming from as far as theology. I have confidence that any reasonably well-written and aware individual can do so as well.
People don't need to see miracles to believe.
They had Scripture and those who knew it had its witness to go by.
They could recognize the Messiah that way.
And actually, basing one's faith solely on miracles is a recipe for disaster. The enemy can counterfeit miracles.
the rich man and Lazarus come to mind. When the rich man begged Abraham to send Lazarus back Abraham responded with essentially, *Let them listen to the Law and the Prophets. Even is someone rises from the dead they will not believe if they are not willing to listen to the Law.*
Mary believing without seeing a miracle makes her not any different than millions of others who have placed their faith in Christ without seeing a miracle.
Anyone reading this far into the thread will likely have reached a conclusion upon the matter, one way or the other. I have not made untruthful statements here.
Again... I should have been more specific.
Without a single miracle, sermon, or their accounts in the Gospels.
If Jesus’ miracles and sermons are of such little import... why go to the trouble of documenting and sharing them via Matthew, Mark, Luke & John?
“The vast majority of us who comment here manage to comply”
Wow. Do you really believe that?
“I have confidence that any reasonably well-written and aware individual can do so as well”
I think I understand why you refuse to comprehend that I have no problem following the rules, but that I have objections to the way the rules are applied.
I think I understand why you refuse to comprehend that one of my two major objections is that thinly veiled insults are treated differently from open insults.
I think I understand why you refuse to comprehend that this has *never* been about any difficulty on my part with following the rules.
However, I can’t offer my conclusions, because that elementary exercise in reading human motivation would be termed “mind-reading.”
Instead of a ban on “mind-reading,” it would be better to have a ban on the repetition of such conclusions after the poster in question has denied it.
“You did that because you want to get the thread locked.”
“No, I didn’t.”
No further repetition of the “mind-reading.”
It would also provide posters with an opening to explain their motivation, if they should wish.
Since contradicting a person’s expression of his own opinion more than once would be prohibited, this could only result in more light than heat—less odium theologicum, or theological hatred, which is the name for the special hatred generated in theological disputes.
“I have not made untruthful statements here.”
That means that you are not lying, but instead repeating error. Perhaps opening the mind and taking another look at things might avail.
There is nothing complex about John’s words, and the words in English Bibles are often oblique to the meaning of Hebrew words.
Eretz for example, can mean many different things, and we are not always sure that the English translators got it right.
Actually, it is the very same problem as we have going from Hebrew to Greek, including the translator’s lack of familiarity with the Hebrew customs.
The Hebrew of 2 Kings 2 says Elijah was taken up to heaven. Believe whatever you want.
>> “OK, I gotta ask. Why do you insist on using the Hebrew for Jesus, but not for Moses” <<
Because the difference with Moshe and Moses doesn’t change the meaning, while using Jesus instead of his real name uses the English transliteration of the Rabinical curse “YSHU” (Yimach Shimo Uezichro) in place of his name.
Jesus means “may his name be forgotten and never remembered;” its simply not his name and it dishonors him.
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Ditto!
So you don’t believe the Hebrew either?
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