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Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"
Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

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To: Graybeard58
I thought every Christian knew that there is only one Mediator between God and man.

I think you're right about that.

1,141 posted on 09/22/2014 2:19:21 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: caww
"Pope was "Just saying?"......No.... he wasn't 'just saying'...he was 'pointing' to someone other than Jesus Christ for help, and that by kneeling, praying, and kissing a statue and a doll of mary. His behavior and actions attest to his worship of mary."

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1. "...pointing to someone other than Jesus Christ for help..."

So, will you make an honest deal with me, that, for every Bible text I can find where we human beings are counseled or instructed to help other human beings, to seek help from other human beings (NOT just from God), or to pray for each other as fellow human beings, etc., you will give me $100, but if I cannot find any of those kinds of texts anywhere in the Bible, I will pay you $1,000?

Will you truthfully and publicly agree in good faith to that kind of arrangement?   (Hint: you don't want to do that, because you will lose A LOT of money.    God wants us human beings to help each other, and to seek help from each other, NOT just from Him, as the Bible (including Jesus in the Gospels) tells us, over, and over, and over again.)

2. "...kneeling..."

Do you honestly believe kneeling always signifies worship, or is the truth, rather, that kneeling sometimes just signifies respect and honor?

   

3. "...praying..."

Do you believe asking other human beings for intercessory prayer means you are worshiping them?   Do you believe asking other human beings for intercessory prayer is somehow wrong, even though the Bible tells us many times to do that?

4. "...kissing a statue and a doll of mary..."

Do you believe "worshiping God" = "physically kissing God"?   Have you, or anyone you've encountered in your life ever physically kissed God?    If not, does that mean you don't worship God?

Do you believe "physically kissing or venerating some person or object" always means you are worshiping that person or object as God?    Have you, or anyone you've encountered in your life ever physically kissed or venerated any thing or being besides God?    If so, does that mean you were worshiping those persons or things as God?

    

 

(Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only two times I can recall being mentioned in the Bible of people kissing Jesus were the time a sinful woman kissed his feet, and the time a guy named Judas kissed him.)

Do you see how utterly absurd and ridiculous these attacks all sound when you look at them with a sincerely honest and totally truthful assessment?

No matter what you might think, you should remember these two things which are the actual truth of the matter:

1. Only God can read our hearts and minds -- you can't, so you simply do not know when someone is worshiping or not worshiping, no matter what you may think.

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2. Only God will judge and will decide who will be saved, and who will not be saved -- not you.
1,142 posted on 09/22/2014 9:02:05 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest; metmom; CynicalBear
Sorry Jack...won't bite on that grizzle... ..

Of course we do understand and recognize it's standard catholic protocol to divert from the obvious,... unfortunately with the same old worn out re-runs we've all fought and won many times here on FR.....

You could have at least been original and made it interesting rather than look/sound like the same old tune...which we can all name in one note!

Milk's pretty bland when there's meat to be had. Come on Heart-Rest....give with the scriptures so we can all partake and debate "His word".....not just scraps from a philosophical table no body wants to eat at..

1,143 posted on 09/22/2014 9:21:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: Graybeard58

...”How is this not idolatry? (rhetorical)”....

Well, that’s just it.....perhaps asking them to “show” us what idolatry DOES look like ‘to them’.....since they’re saying none of this obvious behavior and actions are that....

......you know things like bending the knee, folding the hands, tipping the head down and moving ones lips as if speaking with ones mouth...type of things.


1,144 posted on 09/22/2014 9:38:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: Heart-Rest

...”...the Lord sees not as man sees; man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”... 1 Samuel 16:7

In response to your scripture reference:

To their astonishment and confusion some will be met by Jesus in this way regardless of what we see as the heart of men....as Jesus taught the following:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, ‘but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter’. ..... “MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles? ....

(Note they called him Lord three times...can you hear their desperation?...and note it was all about what ‘they did’ because they ‘believed’ it was about what they did for Him.)

...And then I will declare to them,.... ‘I never knew you; depart from me you who ‘practice’ lawlessness...Matt.7:21

(Many “believe” there service to Jesus is what opens the door for them, all the good they did for others in His name. as do many who just do good works.)

(And what IS the will of the Father?)

“For this is the will of My Father,... that everyone who ‘beholds’ the Son and ‘believes in Him’ will have eternal life,... and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”..John6:40

It’s ALL Jesus...any good we do at all is Him...not us...it is so ‘before’ we know Him and it remains Him ‘after’.

Jesus never bowed to any relic or idol....not ever...Jesus never kissed or knelt before a corpse, he raised it from the dead. ....Jesus never kissed a mans ring in homage to him nor paraded an idol thru the streets, and HE never called on any but His Father In Heaven...and He asks us to do likewise.

Christians follow Jesus Christ..not the wiles of men nor those who instruct to do so.


1,145 posted on 09/22/2014 10:55:01 PM PDT by caww
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To: Heart-Rest

Ah.... appealing to the *everyone else does it...* argument, just like when Catholics try to justify disobeying Jesus’ command to not call religious leaders *Father*.


1,146 posted on 09/23/2014 4:18:04 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: caww; Heart-Rest; metmom
>>"His word".....not just scraps from a philosophical table no body wants to eat at..<<

Maybe we could start here.

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:

I highlighted that in red because Catholics would have us ignore that. Kneeling when proposing is NOT part of our "worship of God". On the other hand, the statues, relics, and hierarchy Catholics " venerate" ARE part of their worship practices and have their origin in pagan worship of their gods.

Now let's take this often used comment by Catholics.

>>or to pray for each other as fellow human beings, etc.<<

That is taken right out of Satan's playbook. We are told to pray for other LIVING people and NEVER told to pray TO them after they have passed from this life. In fact, we are told NOT to try and communicate with the dead.

Yes only God can read our hearts and minds but He specifically told us not to "contact the dead" or use pagan practices in worshipping Him. The Catholic Church openly admits that is what they do.

1,147 posted on 09/23/2014 5:22:20 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Heart-Rest; boatbums
>>Mary is our spiritual Mother,<<

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

>>Now boatbums, I would strongly urge you to (in the future) start making an effort to learn a lot more about the authors you read,

Like the priests who diddle little boys and then supposedly handle Christ? Or the popes who oversaw the inquisition?

1,148 posted on 09/23/2014 5:44:56 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Elsie
>>when one finds a piece of fecal material, floating in the punchbowl; the whole experience is going to be downgraded just a bit.<<

I would agree on principle but so hope that wasn't a comment from personal experience. :-)

1,149 posted on 09/23/2014 5:48:54 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom

“Most of Scripture is pretty clear.”

I just can’t agree with you that Scripture is as simple as all that. Paul says some parts of Scripture are difficult to understand and that people misinterpret it to their destruction.

“Avoid sexual morality is not hard.”

Then why do so many Christians, including Catholics, say contraceptive use is okay? Contraceptives can act as abortifacients. Why do so many Christians have ridiculously broad interpretations for grounds for divorce?
Once I saw two Christians on television, a man and his wife with crosses around their necks, talking about how God led them through the in-vitro fertilization process. God most certainly DID NOT lead them through the in-vitro fertilization process which involves masturbation, the destruction of countless human embryos, and the increasing belief among even Christians that human life something that can be created in a lab. This is why I have such a problem with you saying discernment of the “Holy Spirit” is not hard. This couple, carrying the admittedly heavy cross of childlessness, said it was God leading them through this. No, it was them thinking their own desires were the voice of God. Without a teaching Church, how are people to know what the moral thing to do is when new technologies arise? To say the words “in-vitro fertilization” aren’t in my Bible and so it’s okay is erroneous. The “magic potions” condemned in Revelation 9:21 is interpreted by the early church to have meant contraceptives and abortifacients which the pagans liked to mix. Indeed, witches got their bad name for their reputation for brewing potions to prevent or destroy human life in the womb. But how can people know this if they cut themselves off from the writings of the early church and later and say, I’ll figure it out for myself?


1,150 posted on 09/23/2014 2:21:51 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: MamaB

“all have sinned” means every soul is subject to original sin. Children before the age of reason, about 7, can’t sin. Adults who have a severe case of mental retardation can’t sin. The Church believes God spared His Mother from original sin in order to prepare a worthy vessel, a spotless tabernacle to house the Son of God, the New Ark of the Covenant.


1,151 posted on 09/23/2014 2:30:26 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: metmom

Why do you care about the source if it isn’t the Bible? I don’t know what to say to your belief that writing out a Bible wasn’t a hard, lengthy process. It was and it should be obvious by how thick a Bible is. There was no way most people could have a Bible before the printing press and so what did they do? They followed the guidance of the Church. They didn’t sit around and interpret Scripture for themselves. And Catholics appeal to widespread illiteracy because it is a fact and strengthens even more the need for a teaching church.


1,152 posted on 09/23/2014 2:39:32 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Eubulus greets you, also Pudens and Linus and Claudia and all the brethren.” - 2 Tim 4:21

Linus was Peter’s successor, the second Pope. He was a disciple of both Paul and Peter. He was martyred. I’ve heard that Clement, the fourth Pope, was a disciple of John. By disciple, it is not meant that the apostles took the place of Jesus. It just means that they were close followers of this apostle or that apostle.


1,153 posted on 09/23/2014 2:51:29 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: MDLION

>> “Linus was Peter’s successor” <<

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Balderdash!

None of the apostles had “successors.”

They had trained many to lead the local synagogues, but no one was qualified to be a successor to any apostle.

When John died, that ended the apostolic age. Revelation clearly states that there are only twelve apostles.

Popes lead Satan’s sun god worship, and nothing else.
Satan appoints all popes; their office is in his kingdom.
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1,154 posted on 09/23/2014 3:06:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
Mary is not my mother.

Luke 11:27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

1,155 posted on 09/23/2014 3:15:55 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: MDLION

Then the church is wrong. Mary even admitted she needed a Savior. When the Bible says “all” have sinned that means Mary, too. No where does it say she was exempt.


1,156 posted on 09/23/2014 3:42:39 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: MDLION; editor-surveyor; metmom

I’ve heard that Clement, the fourth Pope, was a disciple of John. By disciple, it is not meant that the apostles took the place of Jesus. It just means that they were close followers of this apostle or that apostle.


Of course not. You elected Mary to replace Jesus.


1,157 posted on 09/23/2014 6:10:17 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: MDLION
I don’t know what to say to your belief that writing out a Bible wasn’t a hard, lengthy process.

And I don't know what to say about your reading comprehension because I did NOT say what you are claiming.

I said that I didn't think it would take 39 years to copy a Bible. I didn't say that it wasn't a difficult or lengthy process.

And if/when the church gets it wrong, then what do they do?

They didn’t sit around and interpret Scripture for themselves.

They couldn't because they didn't have it.

1,158 posted on 09/23/2014 6:55:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: caww
"Sorry Jack...won't bite on that grizzle... .. Of course we do understand and recognize it's standard catholic protocol to divert from the obvious,... unfortunately with the same old worn out re-runs we've all fought and won many times here on FR..... You could have at least been original and made it interesting rather than look/sound like the same old tune...which we can all name in one note! Milk's pretty bland when there's meat to be had. Come on Heart-Rest....give with the scriptures so we can all partake and debate "His word".....not just scraps from a philosophical table no body wants to eat at.."

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1,159 posted on 09/23/2014 7:05:24 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: metmom
"Ah.... appealing to the *everyone else does it...* argument, just like when Catholics try to justify disobeying Jesus’ command to not call religious leaders *Father*."

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No, that is totally inaccurate metmom.    I was not at all appealing to an "everyone else does it" argument.    It was very simply to show you that the act of kneeling before someone or something, kissing someone or something, etc. are NOT the same thing as "worship" -- period.    You have to know the exact context before you can understand what is being done when you see someone doing ANYTHING.

For example, you can give praise to God as a form of worship, and you can also give praise to your child who has just learned how to tie their shoes, which is NOT worship.

Every single thing a human being can do to worship God can also be done for some other valid reasons which do NOT involve worship.

THAT was the point.   Do you see it?

Now, as to calling no man father, please read the following to get a much more accurate understanding of what Jesus meant by that whole discourse there.

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Call No Man "Father"?

Many Protestants claim that when Catholics address priests as "father," they are engaging in an unbiblical practice that Jesus forbade: "Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9).

In his tract 10 Reasons Why I Am Not a Roman Catholic, Fundamentalist anti-Catholic writer Donald Maconaghie quotes this passage as support for his charge that "the papacy is a hoax."

Bill Jackson, another Fundamentalist who runs a full-time anti-Catholic organization, says in his book Christian’s Guide To Roman Catholicism that a "study of Matthew 23:9 reveals that Jesus was talking about being called father as a title of religious superiority . . . [which is] the basis for the [Catholic] hierarchy".

How should Catholics respond to such objections?

The Answer

To understand why the charge does not work, one must first understand the use of the word "father" in reference to our earthly fathers. No one would deny a little girl the opportunity to tell someone that she loves her father. Common sense tells us that Jesus wasn’t forbidding this type of use of the word "father."

In fact, to forbid it would rob the address "Father" of its meaning when applied to God, for there would no longer be any earthly counterpart for the analogy of divine Fatherhood. The concept of God’s role as Father would be meaningless if we obliterated the concept of earthly fatherhood.

But in the Bible the concept of fatherhood is not restricted to just our earthly fathers and God. It is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.

For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt" (Gen. 45:8).

Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: "I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know" (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: "In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with robe, and will bind girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah" (Is. 22:20–21).

This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, "My father, my father!" to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).

A Change with the New Testament?

Some Fundamentalists argue that this usage changed with the New Testament—that while it may have been permissible to call certain men "father" in the Old Testament, since the time of Christ, it’s no longer allowed. This argument fails for several reasons.

First, as we’ve seen, the imperative "call no man father" does not apply to one’s biological father. It also doesn’t exclude calling one’s ancestors "father," as is shown in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to "our father Abraham," or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of "our father Isaac."

Second, there are numerous examples in the New Testament of the term "father" being used as a form of address and reference, even for men who are not biologically related to the speaker. There are, in fact, so many uses of "father" in the New Testament, that the Fundamentalist interpretation of Matthew 23 (and the objection to Catholics calling priests "father") must be wrong, as we shall see.

Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, "But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ" (Matt. 23:8–10).

The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term "teacher," in Matthew 28:19–20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: "For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7); "For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher" (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: "God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers" (1 Cor. 12:28); and "his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as "teachers."

Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people "doctor," for example, medical doctors, as well as professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that "doctor" is simply the Latin word for "teacher." Even "Mister" and "Mistress" ("Mrs.") are forms of the word "master," also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word "teacher" and "doctor" and "mister" as Catholics for saying "father." But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words.

So What Did Jesus Mean?

Jesus criticized Jewish leaders who love "the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called ‘rabbi’ by men" (Matt. 23:6–7). His admonition here is a response to the Pharisees’ proud hearts and their grasping after marks of status and prestige.

He was using hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point) to show the scribes and Pharisees how sinful and proud they were for not looking humbly to God as the source of all authority and fatherhood and teaching, and instead setting themselves up as the ultimate authorities, father figures, and teachers.

Christ used hyperbole often, for example when he declared, "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47). Christ certainly did not intend this to be applied literally, for otherwise all Christians would be blind amputees! (cf. 1 John 1:8; 1 Tim. 1:15). We are all subject to "the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life" (1 John 2:16).

Since Jesus is demonstrably using hyperbole when he says not to call anyone our father—else we would not be able to refer to our earthly fathers as such—we must read his words carefully and with sensitivity to the presence of hyperbole if we wish to understand what he is saying.

Jesus is not forbidding us to call men "fathers" who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. (See below on the apostolic example of spiritual fatherhood.) To refer to such people as fathers is only to acknowledge the truth, and Jesus is not against that. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.

As the apostolic example shows, some individuals genuinely do have a spiritual fatherhood, meaning that they can be referred to as spiritual fathers. What must not be done is to confuse their form of spiritual paternity with that of God. Ultimately, God is our supreme protector, provider, and instructor. Correspondingly, it is wrong to view any individual other than God as having these roles.

Throughout the world, some people have been tempted to look upon religious leaders who are mere mortals as if they were an individual’s supreme source of spiritual instruction, nourishment, and protection. The tendency to turn mere men into "gurus" is worldwide.

This was also a temptation in the Jewish world of Jesus’ day, when famous rabbinical leaders, especially those who founded important schools, such as Hillel and Shammai, were highly exalted by their disciples. It is this elevation of an individual man—the formation of a "cult of personality" around him—of which Jesus is speaking when he warns against attributing to someone an undue role as master, father, or teacher.

He is not forbidding the perfunctory use of honorifics nor forbidding us to recognize that the person does have a role as a spiritual father and teacher. The example of his own apostles shows us that.

The Apostles Show the Way

The New Testament is filled with examples of and references to spiritual father-son and father-child relationships. Many people are not aware just how common these are, so it is worth quoting some of them here.

Paul regularly referred to Timothy as his child: "Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ" (1 Cor. 4:17); "To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (1 Tim. 1:2); "To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Tim. 1:2).

He also referred to Timothy as his son: "This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare" (1 Tim 1:18); "You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 2:1); "But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel" (Phil. 2:22).

Paul also referred to other of his converts in this way: "To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior" (Titus 1:4); "I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment" (Philem. 10). None of these men were Paul’s literal, biological sons. Rather, Paul is emphasizing his spiritual fatherhood with them.

Spiritual Fatherhood

Perhaps the most pointed New Testament reference to the theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests is Paul’s statement, "I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

Peter followed the same custom, referring to Mark as his son: "She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings; and so does my son Mark" (1 Pet. 5:13). The apostles sometimes referred to entire churches under their care as their children. Paul writes, "Here for the third time I am ready to come to you. And I will not be a burden, for I seek not what is yours but you; for children ought not to lay up for their parents, but parents for their children" (2 Cor. 12:14); and, "My little children, with whom I am again in travail until Christ be formed in you!" (Gal. 4:19).

John said, "My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (1 John 2:1); "No greater joy can I have than this, to hear that my children follow the truth" (3 John 4). In fact, John also addresses men in his congregations as "fathers" (1 John 2:13– 14).

By referring to these people as their spiritual sons and spiritual children, Peter, Paul, and John imply their own roles as spiritual fathers. Since the Bible frequently speaks of this spiritual fatherhood, we Catholics acknowledge it and follow the custom of the apostles by calling priests "father." Failure to acknowledge this is a failure to recognize and honor a great gift God has bestowed on the Church: the spiritual fatherhood of the priesthood.

Catholics know that as members of a parish, they have been committed to a priest’s spiritual care, thus they have great filial affection for priests and call them "father." Priests, in turn, follow the apostles’ biblical example by referring to members of their flock as "my son" or "my child" (cf. Gal. 4:19; 1 Tim. 1:18; 2 Tim. 2:1; Philem. 10; 1 Pet. 5:13; 1 John 2:1; 3 John 4).

All of these passages were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and they express the infallibly recorded truth that Christ’s ministers do have a role as spiritual fathers. Jesus is not against acknowledging that. It is he who gave these men their role as spiritual fathers, and it is his Holy Spirit who recorded this role for us in the pages of Scripture. To acknowledge spiritual fatherhood is to acknowledge the truth, and no amount of anti-Catholic grumbling will change that fact.

Source: Catholic Answers - "Call No Man Father"

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1,160 posted on 09/23/2014 7:11:01 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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