Posted on 07/31/2014 3:54:29 PM PDT by NYer
a sacramental marriage as opposed to a natural marriage. A declaration of nullity is a ruling that there was never a sacrament. It's a fine distinction but it is there.
YEP.
The devil's in the details, innit?
1) Matter- for a valid marriage you must have a man and woman, and only one of each.
2) Form- Vows need to be exchanged promising fidelity to each other.
3)Minister- In marriage the couple ministers the sacrament to each other. The priest is there to make sure the proper form is used.
4) Intent- This is the tricky one. Do both members intend the marriage to be sacramental? Do they intend to be faithful? Are they both of sound mind and are they giving their full and willing consent to this or is it under duress? Are both mature enough to give consent?
If one of these four is missing there may be grounds for a cert of nullity to be issued.
Hey I think the rules don’t apply for Rich and Kings
Ask Kennedy or Henry VIII
It does if as far as I am concerned. If you kept your vows and your spouse shattered theirs and thereafter kicked you to the curb for someone else, I think they invalidated the marriage. The contracts with both spouse and God were severed and invalidated if not completly distroyed.
If you maintained your commitment to your spouse and your compact with God intact, I see no reason in the world why you should not remarry (be a LOT more selective next time).
To punish someone for the sins of another is not the Christan way nor in keeping with the fundamentals of reason.
What Kennedy?
Teddy and a whole bunch of the Grandchildren and GGrandchildren of Joe.
“NO it is a certification that a valid sacramental marriage did not occur.”
So then, for the sake of argument, what you are saying indirectly, is that the only way one can know you have a true sacramental marriage is to have had the marriage sacrament and subsequently sought and been denied an annulment, thereby confirming that the sacrament actually occurred.
Otherwise you have know actual way of knowing if your marriage is of the sacramental variety.
I think this may postpone a lot of honeymoons!
Annulment is an earthly construct.
My wife’s ex was Catholic. When they were going together he went to Mass. From the moment they were married he never went with her to Mass again. Their child was baptised Catholic and he told the priest he would raise the child in the faith. He never went to any of her cathecism classes. Not the first one. He never went with her and her mother to Mass. His reply when asked why, was “the Catholic Church is not telling me what to do”. After 10 years of living with this character she filed for a divorce. I met her 10 years later and she applied for a annulment. It took 2 years to get, many statements of witnesses that attested to the fact that he led her on and had no intention of living like a Catholic. The final straw was when he ignored the statement asked by the tribunal for his side of the story.
Just think of all the other false annulments that have been granted in the U.S.!
St. Monica
The circumstances of St. Monica’s life could have made her a nagging wife, a bitter daughter-in-law and a despairing parent, yet she did not give way to any of these temptations. Although she was a Christian, her parents gave her in marriage to a pagan, Patricius, who lived in her hometown of Tagaste in North Africa. Patricius had some redeeming features, but he had a violent temper and was licentious. Monica also had to bear with a cantankerous mother-in-law who lived in her home. Patricius criticized his wife because of her charity and piety, but always respected her. Monica’s prayers and example finally won her husband and mother-in-law to Christianity. Her husband died in 371, one year after his baptism.
Teddy got an annulment because he said he never intended to be faithful to his wife and his wife went along with the story. But Teddy DID NOT get remarried in the Catholic Church.
But, the Church DID give a Catholic funeral, fit for royalty, for the non-repentent adulterous baby- butcherer. And is was Sean Cardinal O'Malley who threw that lavish extravaganza. O'Malley is a current member of the Pope's Gang o' Eight.
“for the non-repentent adulterous baby- butcherer”
But there is always the chance that Teddy went to confession and his confessor was O’Malley!! Only the shadow knows, because a priest is under no obligation to tell anyone who might have gone to confession.
Stop relying on "the shadows'.
Sounds like most if not all the Kennedy family does indeed qualify...
Can. 1184 §1. Unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:
1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful.
The Popes have always been there for Ted, from his first Communion by Pope Pius XII at age 7, to Pope Benedict XVI blessing him on his death bed in a letter, but he had to settle for a Cardinal to perform his first marriage and a Cardinal for his funeral.
He is Catholic royalty.
Here is part of the letter he wrote to his Pope.
““Most Holy Father,
I asked President Obama to personally hand deliver this letter to you. As a man of deep faith himself, he understands how important my Roman Catholic faith is to me and I am so deeply grateful to him.”
(snip)
“I am 77-years-old and preparing for the next passage of life.
I’ve been blessed to be part of a wonderful family and both my parents, specifically my mother, kept our Catholic faith at the center of our lives.
That gift of faith has sustained and nurtured and provided solace to me in the darkest hours. I know that i have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith I have tried to right my past.
I want you to know, your Holiness, that in my 50 years of elected office I have done my best to champion the rights of the poor and open doors of economic opportunity. I’ve worked to welcome the immigrant, to fight discrimination and expand access to health care and education. I’ve opposed the death penalty and fought to end war. Those are the issues that have motivated me and have been the focus of my work as a U.S. Senator.
I also want you to know that even though I am ill, I am committed to do everything I can to achieve access to health care for everyone in my country. This has been the political cause of my life.
I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health field and I’ll continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate and I work to develop an overall national health policy that guarantees health care for everyone.
I’ve always tried to be a faithful Catholic, Your Holiness. And though I have fallen short through human failings I’ve never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings of my faith.”
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