Are Christians in the Midst of a ‘Social Secession?’

National Review ^ | 7-3-14 | David French

[Alex Murphy]

Catholicism has a stated position consistent with Conservatism. Anglicans all support gay marriage. Lutherans, Methodists and Presbyterians have women pastors. The list of inconsistencies with the Bible and Conservatism goes on and on...

You're supposed to put a [SATIRE] warning when you post something blatantly fallacious and humorous.

[SoConPubbie]

Add to that list the following Presbyterian denominations as well:

1. Evangelical Presbyterian Church
2. Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
3. Orthodox Presbyterian Church

[Clay Moore]

“This is because Christians bought a demonic lie sold to them from those working to create a hedonistic secular oligarchy over us: don’t judge.”

Exactly. We need to learn the difference between a rebuke and a judgement. Then it needs to be trumpeted when necessary in the argument.

Saying that homosexuality is wrong and should not be practiced is to rebuke it.

Saying “you are going to hell for being a homosexual” is a judgement. It is not our place to make that call. That is between the Lord and the sinner.

[informavoracious]

It would have been harder to say no to baking a cake for a divorced and remarrying customer because so many Catholics themselves are divorced!

I think part of our problem is that for such a long time American values were aligned Biblical values. Nobody had to suffer for being a Christian in this country as they have elsewhere. Nobody had to make a choice between participating in the wider culture and living as a Christian. Now they do. And it's hard. Wait until the real martyring starts. And it IS coming.

[SoConPubbie]

Saying “you are going to hell for being a homosexual” is a judgement. It is not our place to make that call. That is between the Lord and the sinner.

Sorry, but I don't agree.

They are going to hell if they are a homosexual. That is the Gospel truth.

If we don't warn them, who will?

Furthermore, it was Jesus who said, John 7:24 "24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

[sargon]

They are going to hell if they are a homosexual. That is the Gospel truth.

Nonsense.

We are all going to Hell, by default. Any sinner who accepts Christ as Savior can be redeemed by His blood. Even a homosexual sinner!

All sin (except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) can be forgiven by God. Aside from that single exception sepcifically noted in scripture, there's nothing unique about any sin which makes it less forgivable than any other.

Thus, the sin of homosexuality, among countless others, when committed by a Christian, can be forgiven, and such a person can thereby escape the fires of Hell through the grace of God.

It is the height of arrogance for anyone to usurp God's role as the sole Judge of a man's heart.

And, fortunately for all of us sinners, hysterical pronouncements to the contrary don't override God's mercy.

[xzins]

Reform churches are not necessarily conservative. I pointed out that the Missouri Synod is conservative. But, when we think of the traditional mainline churches, they’ve all pretty much gone liberal, to include my Methodist Church.

[SoConPubbie]

But, when we think of the traditional mainline churches, they’ve all pretty much gone liberal, to include my Methodist Church.

Well, the following denominations within the Methodist Church have no sacrificed their support of the bible and it's definition of Homosexuality as sin:

1. Free Methodist.
2. African Methodist Episcopal Church
3. Evangelical Methodist Church 4. Free Methodist Church 5. Methodist Church of Great Britain 6. Primitive Methodist Church 7. Even the United Methodist Church is still holding firm against Homosexuality and Gay Marriage.

To me, that confirms the conservative nature of a church, in general.

Too often, the term "Mainline Protestant Churches" and the Denominations that have embraced the sin of Homosexuality is falsely used by those in the Catholic camp to claim that all Protestant churches that are considered mainline the notion that they have all walked away from God, and they have not, anymore than the large number of Catholics who support Abortion or Gay Marriage proves that the Catholic church has walked away from God.

It is an over-generalization, and verges on a lie.

[SoConPubbie]

But, when we think of the traditional mainline churches, they’ve all pretty much gone liberal, to include my Methodist Church.

Well, the following denominations within the Methodist Church have no sacrificed their support of the bible and it's definition of Homosexuality as sin:

1. Free Methodist.
2. African Methodist Episcopal Church
3. Evangelical Methodist Church
4. Free Methodist Church
5. Methodist Church of Great Britain
6. Primitive Methodist Church
7. Even the United Methodist Church is still holding firm against Homosexuality and Gay Marriage.

To me, that confirms the conservative nature of a church, in general.

Too often, the term "Mainline Protestant Churches" and the Denominations that have embraced the sin of Homosexuality is falsely used by those in the Catholic camp to claim that all Protestant churches that are considered mainline the notion that they have all walked away from God, and they have not, anymore than the large number of Catholics who support Abortion or Gay Marriage proves that the Catholic church has walked away from God.

It is an over-generalization, and verges on a lie.

[SoConPubbie]

More Protestant Denominations that have not bowed their neck, so to speak, to the abomination of Homosexuality, and at least by my definition, are conservative in nature:

1. United Pentecostal Church
2. Pentecostal Churches
3. Free Methodist.
4. Foursquare Church
5. African Methodist Episcopal Church
6. Evangelical Methodist Church
7. Free Methodist Church
8. Methodist Church of Great Britain
9. Primitive Methodist Church
10. Even the United Methodist Church is still holding firm against Homosexuality and Gay Marriage.

Of special note is the "World Council of Independent Christian Churches" which Wikipedia claims:

The WCC describes itself as "a worldwide fellowship of 349 global, regional and sub-regional, national and local churches seeking unity, a common witness and Christian service."[3] It is based at the Ecumenical Center in Geneva, Switzerland.[4] The organization members include denominations, which claim to collectively represent some 590 million people, across the world in ca. 150 countries, including 520,000 local congregations served by 493,000 pastors and priests, in addition to elders, teachers, members of parish councils and others.

[SoConPubbie]

We are all going to Hell, by default. Any sinner who accepts Christ as Savior can be redeemed by His blood. Even a homosexual sinner!

Where did I say otherwise?

And yet, if they do not repent, the sin of Homosexuality will take them straight to hell.

And yes, they can repent, just like any other sinner.

But just like any other sinner, if they do not repent, they will end up in hell.

[SoConPubbie]

With respect to the “World Council of Independent Christian Churches”, following is from their Doctrine page:

The WCICC does not support homosexual marriage. Clergy agrees not to perform any homosexual blessings,unions or marriages (Romans 1:27)