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Did the Exodus happen?
Jewish Journal ^ | 04/18/2014 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 04/18/2014 9:01:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 04/18/2014 9:01:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Dennis...if you are Dennis....I like you and you’re a smart guy. But I hope you do a little archeology research before you write about things outside your ‘thang’ in the future. I declare that there is no credible evidence you wrote this narrative. Dennis would have known better.


2 posted on 04/18/2014 9:16:06 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: SeekAndFind

The OT is full of references to “You were a slave in Egypt.”

“I brought you out of the house of bondage in Egypt.”

There are too many references to Egypt to just be a myth.


3 posted on 04/18/2014 9:29:06 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What people ever made up as ignoble a past as the Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible relate about the Jews?

Exactly. And the only arguments against this people who were so brutally honest about their own history are nothing more than arguments from silence, most of which have been disproven since:

They told us that there was no evidence that the Hitties ever existed, that the Bible just made them up. Then we found their libraries.

They told us that Ninevah could not possibly have been as big as the Bible claimed. Then we found the ruins, and it indeed matched the Bible's descriptions--it was just so thoroughly destroyed that it took a long time to find it.

They claimed that there was no evidence of the Jews living in the Land before the Babylonian exile. Now we've found numerous stellas and seals that prove the opposite--some of them from David's time.

They told us that Pontius Pilate was never procurer of Judea. Then we found his plaque.

They told us that Acts was full of historical inaccuracies and must have been written in the 2nd-3rd Centuries. Then Sir William Ramsey actually went to Turkey to do the excavations and found out that Luke got every detail right.

Every time they attack the Bible's historocity on a particular point, God provides the evidence needed after stringing the skeptics along for a few decades. I predict that He'll do it again now.

4 posted on 04/18/2014 9:33:08 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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A great part of humanity believes that the holocaust is a fable. Germany invented Photoshop it seems. Archeologists who have evidence of biblical confirmation are scorned by their peers...and forced.....kneeling... to mutter under their breath that “ It does move.”


5 posted on 04/18/2014 9:52:45 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: SeekAndFind

I saw a History Channel show that asserted that the Hebrews were contractors hired to build temples and pyramids, and were chased out after trying to rip off the Pharoah’s stuff.


6 posted on 04/18/2014 9:55:24 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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And what was the historical or archeological or documentary basis by which they determined that the Hebrews tried to rip off the Pharoah’s stuff?


7 posted on 04/18/2014 9:58:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t remember what they offered as evidence.


8 posted on 04/18/2014 10:00:13 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

Jews in Egypt were long gone before the pyramids were buillt...according to credible evidence.


9 posted on 04/18/2014 10:01:19 AM PDT by dasboot
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Well, since evidence is not important, I’d go out on a limb and surmise that the Hebrews tried to organize a labor union to agitate for better wages and the Pharoah was displeased.


10 posted on 04/18/2014 10:01:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: RitchieAprile

They watched Yul Brenner and determined to twist the plot on an historically inaccurate narrative.


11 posted on 04/18/2014 10:04:21 AM PDT by dasboot
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To: SeekAndFind

Every Easter it’s the same thing.


12 posted on 04/18/2014 10:16:20 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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I refer you to a book called 'Ages in Chaos' by Immanuel Vilakovski. He states that the commonly used timeline for Pharaohs and ancient Egypt is not correct and when it is pushed back, it fits in with Biblical chronology. He makes a good case for the Hykos being the Amalekites, since they encountered the Israelites on the way out of Egypt, and, on finding out that Egypt was laid waste due to the plagues, marched in and took over. He goes further to give evidence for the plagues and for Hatshepsut the the Queen of Sheba being one in the same. Good read.
13 posted on 04/18/2014 10:16:42 AM PDT by Othniel (No, I don't have a plan. And doesn't that scare you to death?)
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To: dasboot

The great pyramids were much earlier, in the Old Kingdom, more than 1000 years for the dates usually assigned to the Exodus (which was in the New Kingdom period).


14 posted on 04/18/2014 10:31:31 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus (ADES)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The myth would certainly have to also include a tale detailing man or collection of men writing the ten commandments..

And that man or men used four of those ten to tell others to love, woship and obey something other than the man/men who came up with those commandments...

Our leaders today and historically disprove that possibility daily...

Only one answer.. and people just don’t like the answer...


15 posted on 04/18/2014 10:51:46 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Rabbi David Wolpe (D-CA) keyword: One of *those* topics.

16 posted on 04/18/2014 10:58:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dasboot

lol the pyramids are 36,000 years old


17 posted on 04/18/2014 11:04:17 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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Everyone that wants to discredit the Bible really wants to eliminate Sodom & Gomorrah; TV stations that started on doubts about the great flood and divine intervention in Exodus (it was a change of tides) are now pushing the meteor theory for Sodom & Gomorrah.

So they don’t appear as atheists, they throw in those missing “gospels”...


18 posted on 04/18/2014 11:22:33 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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They told us that there was no evidence that the Hitties ever existed, that the Bible just made them up. Then we found their libraries.
That's not what happened. The archive was found, and between the world wars Emil Forrer discovered that the cuneiform included a number of different languages, all unknown, one of which he realized was related to his native German; before that time the otherwise unassigned ruins had been given the name Hittite, which was borrowed from the Old Testament.
They told us that Ninevah could not possibly have been as big as the Bible claimed. Then we found the ruins, and it indeed matched the Bible's descriptions...
Whomever "They" are, I'd never heard that particular version of that one -- usually the line is that Nineveh, like the Hittites, were said to never have existed. If any actual scholar ever wrote down either of those, it was definitely a unique opinion. It was assumed that the Assyrians had existed, and obviously the existence of the Assyrian Orthodox Church was common knowledge.
They claimed that there was no evidence of the Jews living in the Land before the Babylonian exile. Now we've found numerous stellas and seals that prove the opposite--some of them from David's time.
There's the Mesha Stele aka the Moabite stone, which refers to the House of David, and twenty years ago the Tel Dan stele fragment; both were erected by enemies to commemorate a victory over Israel. AFAIK there are no other steles; in very recent years there have been a handful of other written traces, such as a name, or a reference to the monarchy.

The main problem has been denial that there was an Israelite kingdom -- but that view is due to reliance on the conventional pseudochronology of Egypt. The extensive traces of Ramses II are often given as "proof" of the Exodus, under the foolish assumption that Ramses II must have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus. He actually lived 900 years after the Exodus. Claiming that Ramses II is just like the Old Testament sez is willingly running right into a trap.
19 posted on 04/18/2014 11:38:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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My friend Rabbi David Wolpe announced some years ago that it didn’t matter whether the Exodus occurred. In his words, writing three years later: “Three years ago on Passover, I explained to my congregation that according to archeologists, there was no reliable evidence that the Exodus took place — and that it almost certainly did not take place the way the Bible recounts it. Finally, I emphasized: It didn’t matter.”

“The Torah,” he continued, “is not a book we turn to for historical accuracy, but rather for truth. The story of the Exodus lives in us.”

This pretty much sums up the attitude of all modern religion, Jewish and chrstian.

20 posted on 04/18/2014 11:38:48 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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