THE PROTESTANT’S DILEMMA BY DEVIN ROSE: A REVIEW

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[verga]

Really??? Who wrote the German language bible around 300 AD translated right from the original Greek??? Here's a hint...It wasn't a Catholic...

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language

The history of the language begins with the High German consonant shift during the migration period, separating Old High German dialects from Old Saxon. The earliest evidence of Old High German is from scattered Elder Futhark inscriptions, especially in Alemannic, from the 6th century AD; the earliest glosses (Abrogans) date to the 8th; and the oldest coherent texts (the Hildebrandslied, the Muspilli and the Merseburg Incantations) to the 9th; century. Old Saxon at this time belongs to the North Sea Germanic cultural sphere, and Low Saxon was to fall under German rather than Anglo-Frisian influence during the Holy Roman Empire.

[verga]

So you are posing as a Christian. That is what I have suspected all along. Feel free to have the last word.

[metmom]

I’m not owning it.

Read it and weep.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3135058/replies?c=567

[verga]

Sure she was whether she know it or not. You do understand the concept of unintended consequences don’t you. Wait do you know what unintended consequences even are. I mean you still don’t seem to know what AFSD is yet.

[verga]

I’m not owning it.

Yeah you are. Whether you have the integrity to are not is a completely different story. But it is still yours.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3135058/replies?c=538

Read it and weep.

Back attcha

[LurkingSince'98]

You are so far around the bend that you don’t understand English.

It was a simile meaning he makes false unsubstantiated assertions about something he know nothing about and he does it often like you quote Scripture often.

And you homeschool we’ll English maybe your second language.

Good Night.

[Iscool]

You are one lost dude.

I specifically stated incunabula printed Bibles prior to 1500.

All of the extant PRINTED German bibles prior to 1500 were Catholic translations from Douay Rheims.

One thing that sets some of you people apart from Christians is that you often have trouble telling the truth...Here is what you really said...

and the money quote for all you protestants: “As in all pre-Lutheran German Bibles, the translation was made from the (gasp) Latin Vulgate. THEY WERE CATHOLIC.

Well, no they weren't...

[metmom]

Galatians 2:19-20 For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

[metmom]

And you homeschool we’ll English maybe your second language.

If you're going to criticize someone's English, perhaps it would behoove you to make sure YOURS is correct.

[Iscool]

You don't dig deep enough...

The earliest evidence of Germanic languages comes from names recorded in the 1st century by Tacitus (especially from his work Germania), but the earliest Germanic writing occurs in a single instance in the 2nd century BC on the Negau helmet.[14] From roughly the 2nd century AD, certain speakers of early Germanic varieties developed the Elder Futhark, an early form of the Runic alphabet. Early runic inscriptions also are largely limited to personal names and difficult to interpret. The Gothic language was written in the Gothic alphabet developed by Bishop Ulfilas for his translation of the Bible in the 4th century.

here

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping, dear metmom! And thanks for the information, dear Elsie!

[LurkingSince'98]

“Well, no they weren’t...”

The difference between your assertion and mine is that mine was a DIRECT QUOTE from The Bodelain Library of Oxford University on incunabula printed Bibles prior to 1501.

The third sentence below reads: As in all pre-Lutheran German Bibles, the translation was made from the Latin Vulgate.

http://bav.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/stamp-ross-283

Stamp. Ross. 283

This large-format Bible, glossed with the margin notes of Niccolò da Lira, was printed in 1478-1479 in Cologne by Heinrich Quentell and Bartholomaeus of Unkel on behalf of Johann Helmann and Arnold Salmonster in Cologne and Anton Koberger in Nuremberg. Known as the ‘Cologne Bible,’ it was printed in two varieties of German: Low Saxon (niedersächsisch) and Low Rhenish (niederrheinische). As in all pre-Lutheran German Bibles, the translation was made from the Latin Vulgate. The two volumes are richly illustrated with 113 and 123 woodcuts respectively, made by the so-called ‘Master of Cologne.’ The woodcuts, illustrating the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation, introduce key figures such as King David and the Evangelists, but most notable is the illustration of the Creation scene. The decoration in both volumes was hand-colored in a style that influenced all subsequent production, not only in Germany but across Europe.

Now just who should we believe Iscool or Oxford University?

For The Greater Glory Of God

[LurkingSince'98]

well was corrected by my iPhone to we’ll

and you really need help seriously.

AMDG

[redleghunter]

Good one. It fits.

[RegulatorCountry]

Gothic is an extinct Germanic language, the earliest known extensive example being The Codex Argenteus, the “Silver Book”, a 6th-century manuscript containing Bishop Ulfilas’s 4th century translation of the Bible from Greek into Gothic.

[boatbums]

Still no reply from metmom. Wouldn't you define this a hypocritical, since you constantly demand answers from Catholics, and yet refuse to supply them yourself. Oh by the way Google is your friend AFSD. Still waiting on an answer for that. Maybe you other ladies can whisper in metmom's ear and get her motivated.

How on earth did you get the idea that everyone is obligated to answer every one of your little riddles and imagined "gotcha" questions??? You just ignore them when they are answered anyway, why SHOULD anyone bother?

I can't believe that you are so petty as to DEMAND Metmom finished your acronym that she made to someone ELSE and insist she was "ignorant" when she didn't jump to your command. What, are you ten years old??? It sure seems like on topics some Roman Catholics here blindly agree on, fools seldom DO differ.

And you complain that Elsie doesn't add anything to the dialog???!!! Dude, get a life.

[Iscool]

Now just who should we believe Iscool or Oxford University?

I posted evidence...Universities are not infallible...

[boatbums]

I do believe you are hoping to get this thread locked for “childish behavior”. It wouldn’t be the first time.

[boatbums]

Sounds like YOU need to learn some history. Iscool didn't say it was GERMAN, he quoted Wikipedia which stated:

There are still approximately 1,000 manuscripts or manuscript fragments of Medieval German Bible translations extant.[1] The earliest known and partly still available Germanic version of the Bible was the fourth century Gothic translation of Wulfila (ca. 311-380). This version, translated primarily from the Greek, established much of the Germanic Christian vocabulary that is still in use today. Later Charlemagne promoted Frankish biblical translations in the 9th century. There were Bible translations present in manuscript form at a considerable scale already in the thirteenth and the fourteenth century (e.g. the New Testament in the Augsburger Bible of 1350 and the Old Testament in the Wenceslaus or Wenzel Bible of 1389). There is ample evidence for the general use of the entire vernacular German Bible in the fifteenth century.[2] In 1466, before Martin Luther was even born, Johannes Mentelin printed the Mentel Bible, a High German vernacular Bible, at Strasbourg. This edition was based on a no-longer-existing fourteenth-century manuscript translation of the Vulgate from the area of Nuremberg. Until 1518, it was reprinted at least 13 times. In 1478-1479, two Low German Bible editions were published in Cologne, one in the Low Rhenish dialect and another in the Low Saxon dialect. In 1494, another Low German Bible was published in the dialect of Lübeck, and in 1522, the last pre-Lutheran Bible, the Low Saxon Halberstadt Bible was published. In total, there were at least eighteen complete German Bible editions, ninety editions in the vernacular of the Gospels and the readings of the Sundays and Holy Days, and some fourteen German Psalters by the time Luther first published his own New Testament translation.[3] An Anabaptist translation by Ludwig Hetzer and Hans Denck was published at Worms in 1529. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Bible_translations

FYI: Gothic is an extinct Germanic language that was spoken by the Goths. Perhaps you should inform Wikipedia of their error?

[daniel1212]

Protestants do have a dilemma they are loath to mention let alone discuss. Biggest one I’ve found is that they agree what their pastor preaches less than 3/4 of the time, which I have heard from the majority I have asked.

Which is basically a useless assertion, as it lumps all Prots together, while it is only your experience with a very limited sample size and variety. What actual surveys from many different researchers consistently shows, is that Catholics broke with their Church's teachings more than most other groups, and were much less conservative and unified overall in views Evangelicals. See here .

As a Catholic if I disagree on even one point I get myself before the blessed Sacrament to conform myself to the Church.

Then you are very rare, yet must consider those whom Rome treats as members in life and in death as your brethren, even though the majority are liberal, and at least 30% of the priests.

Meanwhile, unity itself is not the goal, as so-called "Jehovah's Witnesses out do RCs by a long shot in doctrinal unity, and mostly dead churches have less division, while the most divisive RCs are the ones who are most committed.