Posted on 01/25/2014 6:51:38 AM PST by GonzoII
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So you have condemned all who called themselves Christians, prior to the time of Martin Luther, to hell?
Really?
So you think that the only TRUE Christians came AFTER the Protestant Reformation?
Really?
You have NOT answered my question.
Where was the SPECIFIC location of the SOUL of Lazarus, from the moment of his death until the moment that Jesus resurrected Lazarus?
YOU HAVE NO ANWSER do you?
If there is only Heaven or Hell after death, WHERE did the soul of Lazarus go, prior to his resurrection?
JESUS PRAYED FOR THE DEAD, to HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN!
Dream on...
Take a class in Greek.
Chapter and verse?
Where are the instructions that Peter left for choosing his successor?
Oral Tradition!
If you think Only the Bible counts, how about those in the first 3 centuries of Christianity who NEVER saw a Bible since no Bible really existed anywhere?
And the term “Whatsoever” (translated of course) is pretty clear. Peter is told by Jesus that he is in charge and that he may lead as he sees fit and his authority will be respected in Heaven and on Earth.
“Take a class in Greek.”
Why? What you claim is RIDICULOUS!
There is no possible reason for Jesus to declare the authority of Jesus, in these Scriptures.
Those to whom Jesus was speaking ALREADY accepted the authority of Jesus.
Jesus was granting authority to PETER the first Pope.
Game
Set
Match
There is NO logical argument against my position, regardless of the translation or the “big rock” vs “little rock” distraction.
PETER “Petroleum” Pete “ROCK” The very root of the name Peter refers to ROCK -— but the translations that anyone might use are a moot point, silly fog and distractions.
There was no possible reason for Jesus to confer authority on Jesus, as this audience did not need such instruction and there was no good reason to make a historical note of that accepted point in Scripture, if not for the authority clearly given by Jesus to Peter the first Pope.
Here:
Luke 16:
22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
The place wasn't purgatory, and isn't used now that Christ, the firstborn of the dead is resurrected. Note the rich man was suffering, Lazarus not. He was in the bosom of Abraham, not the bosom of the resurrected Lord as know.
Unless Lazarus was a 'Saint' in the Catholic church, he should have been in purgatory paying the temporal cost of his sin. But he wasn't, because Jesus Himself eliminates the doctrine of purgatory in this parable. But like Jonah and Noah, there is no requirement for Catholics to believe this even though it is in red letters.
JESUS PRAYED FOR THE DEAD, to HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN!
John 11:
And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out.”
The above is Jesus' prayer at Lazarus' tomb. He is talking to His Father, He says nothing about Lazarus until He called him from his grave. No prayer to 'watch over his soul' etc.
Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
ALL authority GIVEN to Jesus. By whom? That should be self-evident.
Using that authority, He sends ALL of His disciples out. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
This certainly would have been the time to do it, in front of all the disciples, having it recorded forever in Scripture. There is not one word of Him saying that He confers that authority to Peter or to anyone else for that matter.
I haven’t condemned anyone, but Yehova’s word has.
It has nothing to do with the reformation.
It has to do with what Yeshua said, and catholics and Protestants alike mostly ignore him.
>> “Jesus was CLEARLY conferring authority to Peter, the First Pope.” <<
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That is clearly satanic nonsense!
No man has authority on Earth.
Jesus has ALL authority.
For what purpose does Jesus give any “key” to Peter?
For what purpose would Jesus even address his words, in those passages, to Peter if not to set Peter apart, and make him first, among the 12?
Again, there is NO logical basis for your absurd interpretation.
Jesus had the authority to give Peter, the first Pope, that authority.
Likewise Peter had the authority to establish a formal Church on Earth, with obvious needs for authority and structure. “Build” means what to you, if not the organization of the Church?
And again, use some logic.
Your car salesman does not come out and try to sell you the car you bought, last year, one year later.
You already ACCEPTED his points, and bought the car.
When Jesus gives the “key” to Peter in the “Rock” passages, that was CLEARLY done after all of the original 12 had accepted Jesus as their leader with full authority.
There was no need, at that point, to “remake the sale” -— the original 12 already bought the car, much earlier!
The purpose was for the Church to live on, after the resurrection, with formal lines of authority.
Yeshua gave leadership to himself!
He gave spiritual gifts to the apostles, but every apostle is dead.
I care not what any man thinks, I speak only what is written in Yehova’s word.
Catholicism is beyond twisted; it is the synogogue of Satan.
Yeshua gave the KEYS to all of his elect.
Few use them.
There are no keys to the Body of Christ. Paul, the first member therein, never spoke of having keys or giving keys to other members. The kingdom, yes. The Body, no. What would be the point?
The “keys” are our access to the Father in Yeshua’s name.
It’s just not that complicated.
And so you believe that the first 1,500 years of Christianity saved no souls at all?
That IS what you are saying.
Even the Orthodox, after the Great schism, still recognized some teaching authority in Rome, as with all Bishops.
The ONLY Christian Faiths prior to Luther were CATHOLIC or branched off from the Roman Catholic Church.
Rather arrogant, and probably a sin in itself, to claim that the Catholic Church has never saved any souls at all, is it not?
Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.
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