Posted on 12/28/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by NYer
Even the Catholic encyclopedia admits the roman church includes pagan practices.
As to the rest, the so-called proof has always been eisogesis.
“Luke 47”
I sure know Luke doesn’t have 47 chapters...
Could you clarify the Scripture reference?
FWIW, the verse in Luke 24:47 the Greek word that the Catholics mistranslate as *penance* is actually the word for *repentance*
http://biblehub.com/luke/24-47.htm
A link to the Greek....
http://biblehub.com/text/luke/24-47.htm
*repentance* =
http://biblehub.com/greek/3341.htm
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Short Definition: repentance, a change of mind
Definition: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
Also the same word for repentance that Catholics mistranslate as *do penance* in Acts 2:38.
I meant should so sorry for the typo
Every catholic position is in the bible.
Metmom - give me one bring it on
Nothing pushes a Catholic over the edge quite so much as someone who is secure in their relationship in Christ.
Fine - He gave you eternal life - He opened the Gates for you - You have to get in them yourself.
I am loosely referring to conservative RCs, which typically disown the liberals Rome treats as members. I will change the abbreviation to CRCs
I am and was not a fan of Kennedy’ politics but most of the excommunicable offenses are directed at Bishops and Priests.
Then that would further render as spurious the relegation of liberal RCs laity as being self excoms.
The Canon clearly states ‘Procured an abortion” is that the same thing as “supports liberal judges who promote abortion rights”
Obviously, if you legalize the killing of Jews then you are culpable for their deaths.
Did he apostate from the faith, i.e. leave the Church
According to the CRCs, yes, but in reality no, he left a former manifestation of the Roman institution, but not the modern one.
did he cause Catholics to leave the Church [formal schism].
Likewise no, because you can be a Teddy K Catholic and be a member.
Supporting abortion rights is sinful but is it a latae sententaie offense?
Yes, according to the CRCs, obviously Rome does not treat them as such. Even quite public ones.
There are lots of things that are sinful that don’t incur automatic excommunication. Lust, anger, greed, gossip, not going to Mass on Sunday.
If impenitent it may be considered such.
Have we ever seen a lay Catholic excommunicated back in those days.
Your argument is not with me, but the CRCs who disallow liberals as really being members, despite how their church treats them.
So I will err on the side of Mercy and presume that Teddy did in fact make a good Sacrament of COnfession before he died, with a good Act of Contrition
That mercy will not help him, and is erring by making a great presumption, as the evidence only says points to impenitence.
and that he received the Annointing of the Sick and Viaticum [His Last Eucharist] and that God’s Grace found away to rescue Ole Teddy from himself,
That would not save him anyway. The Annointing of the Sick in Scripture (Ja. 5) was for healing, nor as a precursor of death, and done by elders, not priests , which elders are never called, except as part of the general priesthood of all believers.
Nor was anyone ever born again and saved by taking part in the Lord's supper, but by contrite repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus to save him as a damned+destitute sinner, by the sinless shed blood of Christ.
I would conjecture Ole Teddy had or is still having a stop over in Purgatory!!! before he can enjoy the full Beatific Vision.
That is more error, as all the verses which clearly speak of a N.T. believer's postmortem condition (Luke 23:43; Acts 7:59; 1Cor. 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 1 Th 4:17; 1Jn. 3:2) show it is with the Lord, in whose presence there is fulness of joy (Ps. 16:11). And the postmortem only suffering actually taught for believers is that of 1 Cor. 3, the suffering of loss of rewards (and the Lord's grievous disapproval) due to the nature of the material by which they built the church. But which a soul is saved in spite of, not because of. And yet which does not occur until the Lord's return. See more here
Moreover, while God does chastise believers as needed for sins, and works to perfect saints, this whole work is not done by postmortem suffering, or even just by suffering, but by facing the afflictions and temptation of this life. Thus the Lord Himself came down from Heaven to take on the nature of the seed of Abraham, and be made “perfect through sufferings” (Heb. 2:10), that of being “in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin,” (Hebrews 4:15) “For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted” (Hebrews 2:18).
“Fine - He gave you eternal life - He opened the Gates for you - You have to get in them yourself.”
He died for ALL our sins. He didn’t just open gates. The righteousness of Christ is imputed to every believer.
He died for the many Not all
He Opened the Gates
We get in based upon the Work of Our Lives
Please show where the assumption of Mary is taught in scripture.
“He Opened the Gates”
“We get in based upon the Work of Our Lives”
Absolutely false religion. If this is your belief, you haven’t entrusted yourself to Him, but are relying on yourself. If so, you will die in your sins and pay the price of hell. Don’t do it.
You twist the truth to your own demise, I will continued to pray for you.
Paul writes 2 Cor. 5:15: “And he died for all, that those who live might live no longer for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.”
All, as in all. Not many. In Greek, that means all. In English it means all too.
Fixed it for you. Please keep in mind how poor spiritual health will affect a person's physical and mental well being. I pray that you will come to truly know the love of Christ instead of the lies you have been told outside of the Catholic Church.
1 John 2:2
“and He Himself is athe 1propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.”
The whole world, not part of the world. In Greek it means whole world.
Go ahead and state your claim forthrightly. What truth do you claim I twisted?
Show I twisted it. Use real evidence. Use Gods word. Until you support your claim, it is just calling a FReeper names. I expect better of members here.
Please keep in mind that poor spiritual health may cause some to make pathetic backhanded insinuations about others.
You have been told the truth I will pray for your soul.
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