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Does Praying to Saints Equal Worshipping the Saints?
Tim Staples' Blog ^ | November 11, 2013 | Tim Staples

Posted on 12/13/2013 7:47:42 AM PST by GonzoII

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To: GonzoII
You need to talk to a sun worshiper.

That would be "sun prayer".

41 posted on 12/13/2013 11:08:47 AM PST by DungeonMaster
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To: Dr. Thorne
"The original Greek word translated as "pray" in this passage is "deomai" which means "to want, desire or ask".

Exactly. That is what Catholics do when they pray to the saints.

42 posted on 12/13/2013 11:14:40 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: Amendment10; taxcontrol
"Regarding prayer, I keep things simple by noting that the Lord’s Prayer begins with “Our Father.”

Interesting, because you're praying for others in the Our Father. Why didn't Christ tell them that these others should go directly to Him?:

Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.

43 posted on 12/13/2013 11:30:04 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Necromancy is a sin."

Answered in post #25.

44 posted on 12/13/2013 11:36:30 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: GonzoII

Praying for someone is whole lot different than praying to someone.


45 posted on 12/13/2013 11:37:35 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: SkyPilot

That sums up that argument. I’ve never understood praying to anyone except Jesus himself either.


46 posted on 12/13/2013 11:41:35 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: editor-surveyor
"Because they subconsciously know that they are not his, and thus are unworthy to call on him?"

[This ancient hymn of praise is used on all Sundays outside of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and major feasts, and in solemn local celebrations. It is preferably sung by the whole congregation, but may also be sung by the choir or recited by all. The priest may begin with a brief sung or spoken invitation for the people to praise God.]

All Glory to God in the highest,
and peace to his people on earth.
Lord God, heavenly King,  almighty God and Father,
we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory.
Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father,
Lord God, Lamb of God,
you take away the sin of the world:  have mercy on us;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father:  receive our prayer.
For you alone are the Holy One,  you alone are the Lord,
You alone are the Most High,  Jesus Christ,
with the Holy Spirit,  in the glory of God the Father.  Amen.

47 posted on 12/13/2013 11:46:18 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: taxcontrol

I love people praying for me, I probably wouldn’t be here without a lot of my families prayers said for me. Nobody has prayed to me or to anyone except Jesus Christ.


48 posted on 12/13/2013 11:47:16 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: taxcontrol
"Praying for someone is whole lot different than praying to someone."

I suggest you read the article, specifically the part defining the word "pray".

49 posted on 12/13/2013 11:50:18 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: DungeonMaster

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3101250/posts

Mary is apparently more powerful than Jesus or God it sometimes seems.


50 posted on 12/13/2013 11:53:23 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GonzoII; All
Interesting, because you're praying for others in the Our Father. Why didn't Christ tell them that these others should go directly to Him?:

Thanks for replying. I'm addressing the question of whom to pray to. You seem to be addressing whom to pray for.

51 posted on 12/13/2013 11:53:30 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: GonzoII

I suggest you read the Bible, specifically the part where Jesus teaches how we should pray.


52 posted on 12/13/2013 11:55:17 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: GeronL
Try this if you really want to be amazed by what they think of Mary.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/montfort/truedevo.htm

53 posted on 12/13/2013 11:59:44 AM PST by DungeonMaster
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To: taxcontrol
"Praying for someone is whole lot different than praying to someone.

You wrote: "What Jesus taught was to pray directly to God."

You now admit that you can pray for someone else (indirect prayer as regards them), which is what Christ taught us to do in the Our Father. Why didn't Jesus say that these people should help themselves and go directly to Him?

54 posted on 12/13/2013 12:04:54 PM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: GeronL
"Mary is apparently more powerful than Jesus or God it sometimes seems."

That may be what you like to think but Catholics know that: The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Jas 5:16

55 posted on 12/13/2013 12:11:49 PM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: GonzoII

Jesus did NOT teach us to pray to;
-Apostles
-Saints
-Images
-Mary
-Angles
-Good folks who have already passed

Jesus did teach us to pray to God “Our Father who are in heaven”. That is straight to the Almighty.


56 posted on 12/13/2013 12:15:04 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: GonzoII
Does Praying to Saints Equal Worshipping the Saints?

Possibly, but it certainly leads to it based on the Catholic prayers I see online.

57 posted on 12/13/2013 12:16:56 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: GonzoII

I pray to Saint Martín Luther every day.


58 posted on 12/13/2013 12:18:26 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: GonzoII
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

That is in no way an example of praying TO saints.

http://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/5-20.htm

Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

That is not praying TO anyone.

59 posted on 12/13/2013 12:20:30 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: GonzoII

They’re in heaven. We are not.

Jesus taught us to pray to the Father and gave us wonderful promises that anything we asked the Father in Jesus’ name would be answered.


60 posted on 12/13/2013 12:23:59 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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