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There is something strange going on in the Vatican
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| Mon Oct 07, 2013
| Hilary White, Rome Correspondent
Posted on 10/09/2013 8:25:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: nanetteclaret
I dont think you understood my post. It is from the Syllabus of ERRORS. Pope Pius IX is listing all the errors of his time (which have continued up through our own time) and the one I posted was in the section on Indifferentism and False Tolerance. This error is pretty much what Pope Francis said the other day about everyone trying to find the good. or whatever. Ergo, the Pope is spouting Heresy. He speaks as if he has never read one Encyclical in his life. Jesuits are supposed to be educated, but he gives no evidence of having studied any of the writings of previous Popes.Interesting perspective on things.
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:23:21 AM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
To: Alex Murphy
I am in the middle of reading quite a few encyclicals. So far, I have read “Quo Primum,” “Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio,” “In Eminenti Apostolatus Specula,” 38 of the 58 sections of “Pascendi Dominici Gregis,” “Apostolicae Curae,” “Mirari Vos,” “Quanta Cura,” and “Mediator Dei.” I have 13 to go, at least for now. When one actually reads - and studies - the Encylicals, one realizes that everything since Vatican II has been/is heresy. It is difficult to comprehend, but one must not resort to intellectual dishonesty in order to make excuses. I trust that Jesus will keep at least a remnant of the Church pure as He promised St. Peter when He gave Him the Keys.
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:49:10 AM PDT
by
nanetteclaret
(Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
To: Brian Kopp DPM
Is Francis the last pope: Peter the Roman
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:52:02 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
To: nanetteclaret
When one actually reads - and studies - the Encylicals, one realizes that everything since Vatican II has been/is heresy. It is difficult to comprehend, but one must not resort to intellectual dishonesty in order to make excuses. I trust that Jesus will keep at least a remnant of the Church pure as He promised St. Peter when He gave Him the Keys. IMO it's imprecise to speak of "a remnant of the church". The remnant IMO is the church. The larger portion are unredeemed pretenders who dwelt within the church, according to the apostle John (1 John 2:19).
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posted on
10/10/2013 10:59:42 AM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
To: onedoug
If the little islamist, planned parenthood and the homosexual lobby are praising the Pope, there is definitely a very serious problem at the Vatican. My thoughts exactly.
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posted on
10/10/2013 11:56:19 AM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: Brian Kopp DPM; Dutchboy88
Telling others they are going to Hell because of their faith is the epitome of modern day definitions of proselytism. I'll keep that in mind next time some Catholic tells me I'm headed there.
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posted on
10/10/2013 11:57:31 AM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: oh8eleven; mlizzy
You didn't answer my question. How is prayer, fasting and "sacrifice" going to help? How did it help the 50 million who died in WWII? Maybe they should have fasted more ... Mock away.
Jesus fasted.
HE taught that WHEN we fast, as if He expected it to be the typical practice of His followers.
FWIW, fasting works.
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posted on
10/10/2013 12:02:45 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: Iscool
It's also evangelizing...The bible isn't all a one side lovey dovey book...We have to teach the 'whole' counsel of God, and that includes teaching about hell... Jesus taught about hell. HE warned people to believe or perish.
But it wasn't a threat, it was a warning.
It would be unconscionable to not warn people of hell for rejecting Jesus.
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posted on
10/10/2013 12:05:30 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: Zionist Conspirator
Evangelism: When I try to convert you. Proselytism: When you try to convert me.
It just depends on how offended the person being evangelized is feeling.
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posted on
10/10/2013 12:07:04 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: Zionist Conspirator
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posted on
10/10/2013 12:08:13 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: firebrand
We all have God within us. The job is to get through all the weeds and distractions to find it, in ourselves and possibly, with the grace of God, in others. No we don't. That's the lie of the enemy. *You shall be as gods....*.
Only those who are believers and have Christ dwelling in their hearts through faith, who are the temple of the Holy Spirit, have God in them.
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posted on
10/10/2013 12:11:00 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: metmom
FWIW, fasting works.
HTH do you know? What's your proof?
And I'm not mocking ... century upon century of human suffering (none worse than the 20th) and according to you, all we gotta' do is fast and sacrifice and things will get better.
Well gooooolly, I guess all those millions upon millions who died agonizing deaths never thought of that.
Given all that, the only conclusion I can come to is that if there is a Creator, it created the universe and has been hands off ever since.
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posted on
10/10/2013 12:18:10 PM PDT
by
oh8eleven
(RVN '67-'68)
To: firebrand
Basically, he is saying our approach to the nonbeliever should be Namas te, I see the God within you. If this resonates, the hearer then has two choices: to respond to what he feels or knows is the true God within him, or to use the words as an excuse to do whatever he wants. The bolded is modernism. And yes, I agree that this is what Francis is saying....heresy. From Pascendi Dominici Gregis (Pope Pius X, 1907):
14. Thus far, Venerable Brethren, We have considered the Modernist as a philosopher. Now if We proceed to consider him as a believer, and seek to know how the believer, according to Modernism, is marked off from the philosopher, it must be observed that, although the philosopher recognizes the reality of the divine as the object of faith, still this reality is not to be found by him but in the heart of the believer, as an object of feeling and affirmation, and therefore confined within the sphere of phenomena; but the question as to whether in itself it exists outside that feeling and affirmation is one which the philosopher passes over and neglects. For the Modernist believer, on the contrary, it is an established and certain fact that the reality of the divine does really exist in itself and quite independently of the person who believes in it. If you ask on what foundation this assertion of the believer rests, he answers: In the personal experience of the individual. On this head the Modernists differ from the Rationalists only to fall into the views of the Protestants and pseudo-mystics. The following is their manner of stating the question: In the religious sense one must recognize a kind of intuition of the heart which puts man in immediate contact with the reality of God, and infuses such a persuasion of God's existence and His action both within and without man as far to exceed any scientific conviction. They assert, therefore, the existence of a real experience, and one of a kind that surpasses all rational experience. If this experience is denied by some, like the Rationalists, they say that this arises from the fact that such persons are unwilling to put themselves in the moral state necessary to produce it. It is this experience which makes the person who acquires it to be properly and truly a believer.
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posted on
10/10/2013 1:36:07 PM PDT
by
piusv
To: nanetteclaret; Zionist Conspirator
I still find myself making similar mistakes when reading errors. I have to remind myself that the writer (ie.Pope) is not agreeing with the statement, but pointing it out and calling it heresy.
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posted on
10/10/2013 1:38:36 PM PDT
by
piusv
To: nanetteclaret
LOL @ Paul VI abolishing the Oath Against Modernism.
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posted on
10/10/2013 1:47:12 PM PDT
by
piusv
To: metmom
Maybe the Pope longs for the good old days when the Catholic church could evangelize with sword and convert those evil proselyting heretics.
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posted on
10/10/2013 2:05:06 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
To: Dutchboy88
eh? you are not making sense
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posted on
10/10/2013 2:12:27 PM PDT
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: piusv
What exactly were you laughing at?
Have you ever read the “Oath Against Modernism?” Dear Pope St. Pius X was trying to root it out of seminaries, schools, from the pulpit, out of dioceses, and out of the Vatican. It covered everyone who had any influence. The fact that Pope Paul VI did away with people having to take the Oath is evidence that a) he didn’t care if Modernism infected the Church and b) probably crossed his fingers when he signed the Oath himself.
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posted on
10/10/2013 2:14:26 PM PDT
by
nanetteclaret
(Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
To: oh8eleven
There’s a huge difference between me choosing to fast as part of prayer, and someone being starved to death.
Those millions who died from being starved to death, did not choose to fast.
If you cannot distinguish between the two, you have bigger issues than you realize.
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posted on
10/10/2013 2:15:22 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
To: nanetteclaret
Nanette, I have been agreeing with you. Why would you take the LOL in a negative fashion? I’m laughing at the absurdity of Paul VI abolishing this oath...and then proceeding to allow modernism into the Church.....directly and indirectly.
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posted on
10/10/2013 2:17:33 PM PDT
by
piusv
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