Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel
Romans 15:
[25] But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.Clipping a scripture to hide its meaning?
[26] For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
[27] It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
Their spiritual things, the ancient scriptures, and all they reveal!
Interesting watching this thread (lurking :)....you can see the errors of some though they cling mightily to them, hard to let go of deception....easier to continue to believe what they have convinced themselves of. Sad yet they are not so far God can’t reach them....some just take much longer to come around.
Amen!
It isn't the WHAT, it's the HOW. Perhaps you had missed this part:
Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
and this:
Rev_10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
pssst! at the sound of the seventh trumpet, the mystery is finished!
See, the thing is, the whole POINT of the prophecy is to declare what He is doing from the beginning - that is what proves he is God. Messiah is not a mystery - He is in the OT. The church is not a mystery - it is in the OT. The gentiles being brought in? OT.... The rapture? OT.
The way one knows that a thing is from YHWH is to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES - If it ain't in the scriptures, it ain't from YHWH, Right? And what were the scriptures in Paul's day? OT. It HAS to be found in the beginning if it is of YHWH, because NOTHING can be added to or taken from...
Just how is it that folks are supposed to confirm Paul in his day without the Scriptures? How is this 'new' thing to be reckoned?
Oh dear Lord not another one of those “95%” of God’s word is correct ideas please.
You obviously didn't bother to check the link I gave you upthread, which detailed the major differences and inclusions. Anyone with a modicum of curiosity can find the statistics and the differences from any number of scholarly sources... If you have otherwise, then prove it.
And as I have reiterated time and time again, and once more so that even the dense can understand: the Word is *not* words on pages, which undoubtedly contain error as a matter of fact... The Word is discerned and is inerrant. If it is the words themselves, then you had best quit relying on English and go directly to the Greek - And when you do, please return and tell me which MSS IS the inerrant one, as I have already given you ample opportunity to do...
As to who is the 'Fullness of the Gentiles', it is right there in plain sight - Read the Torah and you will find it.
LOL! Do you see the irony of what you have posted? The heretic sinneth... What is sin but transgression against the Torah? So the one defending the Torah is the one who sins against it? The one who measures by the Torah is the one who is heretic?
The Tetragrammaton does not occur in any extant Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Extant Greek New Testament manuscripts contain the Greek word Kyrios (Lord) in Old Testament quotes where the Hebrew has the Tetragrammaton.
Wikipedia.org: Tetragrammaton in the New Testament
We are spiritual decendents of Abraham, NOT genetic.
The Tetragrammaton does not occur in any extant Greek manuscripts of the New Testament.
Those are the only manuscripts we have that God has seen fit to preserve for us today. There are no other manuscripts or any proof whatsoever that those are not the original words given by the Holy Spirit.
“Howard claimed that the Tetragrammaton may have appeared originally in the New Testament”
May have? You base your beliefs on “may have”?
” Howard in a personal letter stated: "My theory about the Tetragrammaton is just that, a theory.”
So you come in here trying to get us to take some guys theory over scripture?
”Until they are proven (and mine has not been proven) they should not be used as a surety for belief."
Do you see that ” they should not be used as a surety for belief.”?
You can take your theories to someone else. I will take the scriptures as God has preserved them for us thank you very much.
Quotes taken from: Wikipedia.org: Tetragrammaton in the New Testament
What I said was that His Name is covered over. That it is hidden. And it is a FACT that in direct quotes from the Tanakh YHWH is replaced with kyrios in the surviving manuscripts. That is not transliteration. It is an intentional replacement. There is no 'theory' involved at all.
Oh yeah? Prove that the Holy Spirit didn’t have the writers write what we have in the Greek version of those documents we have for the New Testament.
Does the Spirit teach men to disobey the Torah? To cover up the Name that is to be a remembrance and declared?
i don't know - You decide.
I’ll ask again. Prove that the Holy Spirit didn’t inspire exactly what is contained in the only Greek manuscripts we have available.
I just did.
No you didn’t. You made a statement from speculation. At least the guy who started that whole nonsense admits it’s “just a theory”. Yet here you are promoting it as fact. You can’t show that the only Greek manuscripts we have today are not exactly as the Holy Spirit inspired them to be written.
>> “We are spiritual decendents of Abraham, NOT genetic.” <<
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That is your presumption, to which you are entitled, but that is not what the scripture said.
What I promoted stated as FACT is that the direct quotes from the Hebrew that contain the Name of YHWH were all changed to Kyrios. It is simple enough to prove, as we have the Hebrew, and we have the Greek. Whether that happened in the writing thereof or in the copying thereof can't be proven as fact without the original autographs.
I doubt completely that the Spirit would be behind systematically hiding the Name, as the Spirit would not break the Torah.
>> “Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things” <<
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Their spiritual things are the scriptures, the “Oracles of God.”
Those scriptures were carried forward by the house of Judah, and no one else. All others on Earth owe a debt to Judah for maintaining the scriptures and the necessary supporting traditions.
You don’t say!!
>> I doubt completely that<<
You doubt?? Dude, you came in here and claimed that only 95% of what we have as the New Testament is accurate. Yet you only have the “theory” of some guy who says ”Until they are proven (and mine has not been proven) they should not be used as a surety for belief." and your doubts? May God have mercy.
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