Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Then why are believers who have died called "the dead in Christ"?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
You noticed that, too, eh?
Are you telling us they didn't?
This is not so, and there are exceptions in the bible.
Like who and where?
Enoch and Elijah? Maybe they aren’t in the Luther abridged version?
Unfortunately for you, heaven and earth will pass away butt Jesus words will never pass away. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it.
His word is forever settled in heaven.
OK, show us anywhere in the NT, then that that situation has changed.
Asking MARY for an answer to the prayer. - O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me, Amen. “
Despise not my petitions? Why on earth would someone think that Mary would despise their petitions anyway? What kind of Mother of God is she?
<....”to seek something more in the spiritual realm is to invite demonic activity”....>
Yes indeed, unfortunately people are generally ignorant of the enemies devices, and how he presents himself...so they are easily deceived...and they will be.
Have you noticed, Metmom, how the nations peoples are being increasingly ‘conditioned’ through many ‘false’ and ‘deceptive’ spiritual experiences,.. and ‘ways’ to gain access to God?......
There is a very real push for “spirituality” and it makes no difference the way one goes about it...each and every is acceptable today...all this will position people for the great deception God said people WILL believe.. because they refused to accept the finished work of Christ for their sins.
Even Christians are on the edge for many are seeking the “thrill” of these experiences until it’s like an addiction...their faith rests then on “feelings” rather than Christ....which for that they end up needing more of these expereinces and will seek them.
Yes Catholics are because they are applying a double standard here. They are holding others to levels of proof that they do not hold themselves to.
That is rightly called *hypocrisy*.
Specifically where is the double standard? Give a specific, concrete example please?
They are not saints as the term is used in Scripture for church age believers.
Beyond them, who else has not died?
“They are not saints”
Sez who? The Church of metmom, which apparently doesn’t have a phone number or address?
I already did.
It’s in Catholics demanding specific Catholic approved wording in Scripture to support a doctrine which non-Catholics adhere to and yet not applying the same standard to themselves but rather expecting others to take their say so as enough support.
It would be great if protestants were willing to actually tell us what church they belong to so that they can’t hammer ‘personal attack’ everytime we challenge ‘personal’ beliefs.
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have made fun of canonization or your popes. This thread is full of such utter nonsense tha I have been reluctant to wade in. I know I shouldn’t mock such tragedy and apostasy. It’s just from my vantage point the institutions and ideas of Rome are so obviously flawed, unbiblical and fundamentally wicked that I struggle to take them seriously. You mentioned canonization as if it was an indication of something more than the opinions of sinful men. On the authority of the word of God I promise you canonization holds no sway in the courts of heaven. If those canonized are not clothed in the perfect blood bought robes of Christ’s righteousness they will be cast into the pit. Without the imputation of Christ’s perfect righteousness there’s no hope for any sinner. His work on the cross, His blood is all that will count on that day at the bar of judgment for without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sin. All the works and all the commendations of men will be burned as so much rubbish.
Why don’t you familiarize yourself with the Waldenses and the Albigenses? That would be a good place for you to start. God has always had a faithful witness outside of Rome. However, despite all her apostasy and wickedness through the centuries, it was Trent where Rome actually declared in writing her apostasy. At Trent she anathematized believers in the gospel of Jesus Christ in an official way. Before that they weren’t teaching the gospel, but I don’t believe they had ever declared it accursed in a official way.
You find HIM in His Word and HIS Church/His BODY is based on HIS WORD ALONE.
Keep believing the nasty lies of man and stay lost.
Lol! That’s Funny!
“What evidence do you have contrary to the practice? Did the Fathers condemn it?”
This is your standard for Christianity? Things the Fathers didn’t practice, command or teach, but hey, they didn’t condemn it???
Your call, but frankly, that is the path that has incorporated cultic practices into Catholicism as “traditions” that are equal to Holy Writ.
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