Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
So we believers (excluding Catholics?) have the authority to judge disputes between believers, as those believers have authority to judge disputes with us, or with other believers.
So how, exactly, do disputes get resolved?
As I said, this approach makes the Lord's command to take our disputes "to the church" meaningless, since disputes would be unresolvable.
For Christians, yes. For Catholics, not so much.
Whoa, Alex, as a Bible believing Christian, I would expect a Bible answer.
St. Paul says in I Tim 3:15 that the Church (not the Bible) is the ground and pillar of the truth!
The problems come in the interminable disputes over interpretation.
Take for instance, Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, and Revelation 3:7...
“No replies? Silence is agreement.”
Ya know, I don’t live on FR. I do have just a few other things to do every day.
“....And why is that so?”
Why do you think?
What you are taking as ‘church’ in 1Tim 3:15 is really “synogogue,” not the complete body of believers.
You make a good point about the Transfiguration. However, Jesus can do all sorts of things we can’t. Since he is God, communicating with the dead is hardly a sin. God can presumably communicate with departed souls without sinning.
NO, what's evil is breaking the clear commands of God to not contact the spirit realm and call on the dead. Show us from Scripture where it is commanded, where it is condoned, and where it is promised to help.
What is evil is saying that praying to God the Father isn't good enough.
What is evil is not praying according to the commands of Jesus to ask the FATHER for what we need and want.
Show us from Scripture that those whose physical bodies have died have the power to hear our prayers at all not to mention the ability to act on them and grant requests.
His understanding of intercession is incorrect. This is a statement of fact.
Yes, it does. Sorry.
Why does Christ tell Peter, and no one else, to “feed my sheep”?
And the Saints are alive. :)
God of the living not of the dead.
Such as? And who says their interpretation is infallible? Far as I can tell, only the Catholic church makes the claim to be the only body capable of infallibly interpreting Scripture.
Protestantism treats the Bible as a dead letter, since under Protestant teaching, there exists no earthly authority to interpret Scripture infallibly, except, presumably, the individual believer (!). The temptation to pride is obvious, as each Protestant clings to his or her own (infallible?) interpretation of Scripture.
How many times does this verse need to be posted before Catholics get it?
Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
How ironic that non-Catholics are condemned for believing in sola scriptura and then told we believe the Bible is a dead book.
A person just can't win against Catholic "logic".
“call on the dead.”
Again, as Christ himself says - “God is a God not of the dead but of the living”
The saints in heaven are not dead, but alive in Christ.
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So then you have no grounds to reject the Catholic church as the body of Christ per your own definition.
I just don’t see how you can draw your circle so fine as to exclude Catholics per definition.
You have evidence to the contrary? When did the Catholic church form?
Are you arguing that every saint in heaven died? This is not so, and there are exceptions in the bible.
YOPIOS!
Because.....
Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
What evidence do you have contrary to the practice? Did the Fathers condemn it?
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