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WHY ARE OUR CATHOLIC LAITY SO ILLITERATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH
Southern Orders ^ | May 31, 2013 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer

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To: rmichaelj
The belief is that Mary was preserved from sin (by the grace of Christ) because it was appropriate. Not because it was required.

Was Christ dying on the Cross "appropriate"?

661 posted on 06/01/2013 9:47:56 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Jesus died...Original sin was on him like it was everyone else...Jesus was tempted and overcame the temptations...”

Yes, he did get a sinless human nature. Otherwise he could not serve as the substitutionary sacrifice. He was as Adam was before the fall.

That's not quite RCC theology.

662 posted on 06/01/2013 9:49:32 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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To: boatbums
"Hahn was a Presbyterian minister and theologian and Staples was an Assemblies of God youth pastor."

What were the vows they took and how does a conversion to Catholicism violate them? Hahn was ordained at Trinity Presbyterian a "progressive" reformed church that has recently required their clergy to take new, revised vows. How does that fit your idea of ordination vows? Were you aware that Assemblies of God have no ordination requirements for Youth pastors.

Peace be with you

663 posted on 06/01/2013 9:53:25 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: editor-surveyor; A.A. Cunningham; Natural Law
If Mary had other children then Jesus Christ didn't die sinless. He dishonored his mother, a direct violation of the Ten Commandments, by putting His mother in the care of someone who was not a member of His family. Dance and shuffle all you like, but people who claim Mary had other children are denying that Jesus Christ was the acceptable sinless sacrifice for our sins.

Self Alone interpretation always leads to a direct or indirect denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ sooner or later.

People who start by only accepting the "Pharisee Approved Luther Subset of Scripture" are destined to develop doctrines that contradict one another. Contradictions like waking up one morning and deciding that what they had preached as Scripture Alone based Truth for four centuries didn't matter and began to teach the exact opposite with regard to murdering your children in the womb.

Everyone not Catholic just woke up one day and decided Superslick Christian Liberty Grease was a far better basis for what they teach than Scripture Alone and ever since they've reversed themselves on one thing after another. Whatever is popular in the society they're in the Protestant and Protestant derived groups will approve of before too long. Whether it's contraception or queers marrying one another, they'll find a way to apply a bit of Superslick CLG and give the wallets in the pews what they want.

People who accept the doctrines that lead to teaching one thing as truth based on the Bible one day, and the exact opposite the next, are denying Scripture and by doing so denying Christ Himself. They've been deceived into accepting the worship of their own, Most High and Holy Self, the same deception Eve fell for, rather than worshiping Christ and following in His footsteps.

664 posted on 06/01/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Reading the plain words of the scriptures is not ‘inference.’"

So now you are claiming the ability to infallibly interpret Scripture?

665 posted on 06/01/2013 9:56:57 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Rashputin

>> “If Mary had other children then Jesus Christ didn’t die sinless.” <<

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Never before in the history of the internet has such a false and stupid comment been posted!

Just the implication that Mary could ever have been sinless is the vilest of blasphemy, since it makes Yeshua, and his apostles and the scriptures they wrote liars, but to deny her children is vile hateful evil.


666 posted on 06/01/2013 9:59:26 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

So, Jesus Christ was free to violate the Ten Commandments and still be considered sinless?

Interesting.


667 posted on 06/01/2013 10:00:45 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: MarkBsnr
John 10:30. You people are so odd, trying on the names of Christianity and meaning so different.

So who do you think Jesus was praying to, himself??? Your ignorance of scripture is astounding...

668 posted on 06/01/2013 10:01:09 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: editor-surveyor
"The NT scriptures state plainly that Mary had children."

No, Scripture says Jesus had "brothers", which could have been cousins and half brothers. It does not say that Mary was their natural mother or that she had any other children.

669 posted on 06/01/2013 10:02:26 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

Nothing in any scripture supports the idea of “interpretation” of scripture.

Interpretation, in every instance is the act of turning the plain truth into a lie.

Scripture is to be read aloud, and thereby understood and remembered. (”Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”)


670 posted on 06/01/2013 10:03:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Natural Law

The only way anyone could be a half-brother of Yeshua is if Mary is their mother. (or do you believe that the HS caused others to conceive?)


671 posted on 06/01/2013 10:05:30 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Scripture is to be read aloud, and thereby understood and remembered. (”Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”)"

Mixed with your nonsense is a shadow of the Truth. The Word of God is indeed intended to be heard. That is why Jesus, the Apostles and St. Paul had a verbal ministry and why the Bible was only compiled by the Church as a Lectionary to identify which writings were suitable to be read during the Liturgy of the Word in the Catholic Mass.

Within that same Mass and within the Liturgy of the Word is a Homily whose purpose is to interpret and explain what was heard. That is not dissimilar to the practices of even the most bizarre Protestant sects.

Peace be to you

672 posted on 06/01/2013 10:15:20 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"The only way anyone could be a half-brother of Yeshua is if Mary is their mother."

BBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTT!!!!!

The right answer was Jesus' half brothers were the biological sons of Joseph from his first wife. But we do have a lovely parting gift for you.

673 posted on 06/01/2013 10:18:35 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

Joseph was of no relation to Yeshua, thus had he any children of other women (which he did not, he was a Godly and upright man) they would be of no relation to Yeshua.


674 posted on 06/01/2013 10:22:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Natural Law

Were I you, I would be fearfully confessing and repenting the murmering against Yahova’s servent Joseph.


675 posted on 06/01/2013 10:24:37 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Natural Law
Don't bother. People who are too lazy actually study the Bible but who claim to believe in Scripture Alone are beyond hope unless the Holy Spirit smacks them in the head with a 2" x 4".

If I could go through Scripture and figure out that the arguments people use to "prove" Mary had other children is baseless garbage anyone can.

Those who insist Mary had other children are under a strong delusion and don't even want to know the Truth.

It's like a huge herd of Ray Charles clones, all blind, wearing hip shades, each sitting at their own little piano with a huge smile, and swaying in time with the music as they each belt out their own favorite tune.

676 posted on 06/01/2013 10:24:39 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Joseph was of no relation to Yeshua..."

Under Jewish law and tradition an adopted son was a closer relation than a biological relation. An adoption was forever, but a biological child could be disinherited. It is a foretelling of the Gentiles becoming the adopted children of God. It is only modern culture that puts such an emphasis on biological paternity.

677 posted on 06/01/2013 10:28:20 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Were I you, I would be fearfully confessing and repenting the murmering against Yahova’s servent Joseph."

Were you me you would have no need.

678 posted on 06/01/2013 10:29:59 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Rashputin

The plain words of the gospels declare that Mary had many children.

The strong delusion is your own! Deny the scriptures at your own peril. There is no basis to believe anything else.


679 posted on 06/01/2013 10:30:11 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Natural Law

You’ll have to work that out with Yehova; I can’t help you.


680 posted on 06/01/2013 10:31:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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