Posted on 03/14/2013 10:44:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
“many false spirits were introduced, many strange visions were seen, and wild, enthusiastic notions were entertained; men ran out doors under the influence of this spirit, and some of them got upon the stumps of trees and shouted, and all kinds of extravagances were entered into by them; one man pursued a ball that he said he saw flying in the air, until he came to a precipice, when he jumped into the top of a tree, which saved his life; and many ridiculous things were entered into...”
This sounds a bit like datura intoxication.
Mormonism corrupts the message and very nature of your Savior to the entire world. The LDS maybe the only exposure some initially get to Christ and the strange beliefs that are heretical could turn them away or worse take them into a world away from the Father. They also lie and distort many parts of Christian beliefs, your beliefs, beliefs you were called to defend..
As a Christian you know that “being good” is not the point.
Is it Christian to let good people waltz into the arms of Satan himself?
I would think that would truly be the most denigrating and evil, hateful thing a person to do personally to another. Pointing out the very false teachings and other heresies of Mormonism is the precise opposite of such actions...
I understand in this delicate age many do not have the stomach for spiritual warfare, it is a sign of the times and where we are as a society. But if one cannot join the fight, at least do not stand in the way while others take on the evils of this world, regardless of their nature.
No
Of course they don't play like that. They move goal post, wrap up things is long drawn out rhetoric then whine when caught that everyone is just a mean bigot.
its a quaint game, but can be fun to watch...
lets stop being the constant haters....we can't hate everyone...
You call shining the light on the mormon, cultic heresy "hate". Frankly, calling something hate is the first refuge of liberals and the LGBT community.
Thankfully, the APOSTLE PAUL, had no problems calling a heresy a heresy..."And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:11-13
Nor did he care if others approved of his actions...
"On the contrary, we speak as men approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please men but God, who tests our hearts. You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed--God is our witness. We were not looking for praise from men, not from you or anyone else. 1Th 2:4-6c
"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. Gal 1:10
Further, you have miscast exposing the teachings of mormonism with individual mormons. I suggest you go back to post 1 on this thread and reread. You will see you have made an error.
It was not a Christian who walked out of the woods in 1820 and claimed to have seen angel and apostles and Jesus, and said we better fall in line to HIS teachings because all churches were wrong and his was right and if we didn’t HE would stand in the doorway to Heaven and keep the non mormons out! HE threw down the gauntlet, Christians picked it up and ever since then Mormons have been crying that the Christians are mean to them even though it was Mormons who picked this fight! [Ruy Dias de Bivar]
#1: R.D. de Bivar is right...Lds picked the fight & labeled us ALL "apostates" ... said ALL of our creeds were an "abomination" before the Mormon gods ... and that ALL of our professing believers were "corrupt"...and then a LATER generation enshrined that as "scripture" & placed it in the Lds "Pearl of Great Price" under Joseph Smith - History (see vv. 18-21)
Tell me something? Are you creeds so wimpy they aren't worth defending when a group spends $million castigating on paper, on electronic websites, in media, in publications, in curricula, in made-up "scriptures," in missionary training???
#2 Jesus at one point said to the legalists of that hour: Matt. 15:9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Are you going to castigate Jesus as well with your "I fail to see what your purpose is in denigrating people of faith whose mode of worship differs from yours" line???
#3 The Lds church owns the Deseret News. This week they published a "15 facts you may want to know about Lds temples" piece. If that church can run a PR fluff about "facts"...it can stand the other side of its temples to be exposed.
I don't know about your Bible, but mine says: "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." (Apostle Paul, Ephesians 5:11)
The real Q is: Why have YOU as a professing Christian been hiding your light in exposing darkness?
(Or is it that when you get to heaven, you'll lecture me, Paul & Jesus in one fell swoop?)
“Yes, I am LDS and I guarantee that any information you get from Colofornian is the same objectivity that you’ll get about Jews from the Muslim Brotherhood.”
Nice of you to (apparenlty) confess that you believe Jews are liars. I disagree. Don’t let that stop you from posting any, any, any objective info here to back up your claims.
“Colofornian and her ilk of self-appointed Non-Denomination Inquisitors excell at smears, inuendo, and distortion.”
That is a sentence packed with ad hominem attack. It is not an actual logic or fact based counterpoint - of which I haven’t see you post yet. This is a personal attack that is not allowed on the Religion Forum, as you should know.
“I have been to various LDS temples many times through my life and it is a peaceful activity devoted to our ancestors in conformance with 1st Corinthians 15:29”
There are no Christian Temples. Christians are the Temple of God. Nor are temples mentioned in the passage you quote. Nor do you understand the passage you quoted if you believe the Bible teaches Christians to pretend to be baptized for the dead.
The fact that you are a biased participant might lead some to believe that you can’t be an objective source of information. Remember your (apparent) slander of Jews in your post? I suggest you post some factual links and let’s have a real discussion.
“It is also a place where you can go and leave the outside world behind to feel the Holy Ghost and the Love of God.”
What is felt there is the lobby of a Marriott. It is made up out of whole cloth. In God’s Temple in the Hebrew Scriptures, He specified in detail how His Temple should look. Mormon temples aren’t in any of the mormonic scriptures. This explains why Marriott had to step in and help.
Prove it.
“The Romneys have also given annually to their family charity, the Tyler Charitable Foundation, which, in turn, has paid out large sums to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Sabin Children’s Foundation, National Multiple Sclerosis Society and to Mitt Romney’s alma mater, Brigham Young University.”
Most of my “charitable contributions” are also directly to my church, and mostly pay the salary of my pastor, and the cost of the building we use. A portion of the money the church collects goes to missionaries, which also is a solely church-related function. A small part goes to the deacon’s fund, which does traditional charity work, but mostly for people in the church.
I don’t know whether any other people fall into this category. But I would suspect that a large amount of the donations by Catholics who are freepers go to their church as well.
So I’m not sure how much of an “attack” it is to hit someone because their giving is mostly to their church.
The hit goes back to whether the church is a valid one, and whether the church does true charity with the money. But both of those discussions have nothing to do with the members of the church giving money to the church (I’m not arguing that donations to the mormon church are more or less charitably used here).
I’m certain Romney gave more money away to secular or non-sectarian charity than I did. I know, he has more money.
Let's apply this argument to the homosexual activist agenda:
I certainly have had my disputes with homosexual activists here on FR but I too see no reason to belittle their claims....lets stop being the constant haters....we can't hate everyone...
You know ... despite claims to the contrary of your secular high school & college profs of "tolerance," disagreement does not = "hate" ...
My relatives are Lds; I am a descendent of a polygamist Mormon.
Some times we need to start loving people with the truth:
"Love rejoices in the truth." (1 Corinthians 13:6)
As I stated, "And their generosity is nearly always toward their sect and to other mormons."
Now, unless you were, as I was, born into mormonism, lived for several years in communities heavily populated and controlled by mormons, you won't have seen first-hand that what I stated is true.
So, save your indignation and support for Mitt for the next time he begins his campaign for POTUS.
This is important work, Colofornian. Thanks for posting. What we believe matters!
Amen!
Well, the graveyard can be a "peaceful" place too...til at night when the Mormon goblins arrive:
Fourth Mormon Prophet Wilford Woodruff told followers in 1887, "The dead will be after you, they will seek after you as they have after us in St. George (Journal of Discourses 19:229). Woodruff is referring to the St. George temple in southern Utah. He also stated, “I will here say that two weeks before I left St. George, the spirits of the dead gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them. Said they, "You have had the use of the Endowment House for a number of years, and yet nothing has ever been done for us. We laid the foundation of the government you now enjoy, and we never apostatized from it, but we remained true to it and were faithful to God. These were the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and they waited on me for two days and two nights” (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p.160). In his book titled Temple Manifestations, Mormon writer Joseph Heinerman lists several accounts of dead spirits visiting patrons in LDS temples. However, such encounters are never condoned by the Bible and as such, should be shunned rather than encouraged.They see dead people?
Would you like to tell us Tep why the same "prophet" you have trusted in to begin placing the breaks on polygamy tells you that "The dead will be after you, they will seek after you as they have after us in St. George [temple]"???
Would you like to tell us Teppe why the Lds official church publications & BYU curricula have highlighted these so-called "dead people" coming after & seeking after the living???
The "official" BYU & Lds church accounts are right here...a few clicks away for ANY poster to visit:
Lds Temple Haunted? Did Declaration of Independence signers appear as ghosts to leader? [Vanity]
Step 1: Click on this above link
Steps 2 & 3: Click on the Accounts #1 & #4 at the previous link...the BYU source is at "Account 1"...the official Lds church curricula link is at "Account 4"
ALL: You need to ask yourself why Teppe would want to hide this info by slandering the person who is providing the link?
And this matters beyond kudos...and the work itself.
It matters...
...for Mormons to escapism not just the cultic worldviews of Mormonism...
...but the occultic cultural & ritualistic entrappings of the Mormon temple...
...and that matters for eternity!
It also matters when people engage in identity theft and begin to use your name, effecting EVERYTHING about you reputationally.
I'm sure people like Teppe, Dunblak, and Cherry wouldn't for a single moment tolerate people utilizing their name as a counterfeit identity theft operation.
That affects finances for what is to be used for ultimate value on this earth; that affects reputation -- in this case associating things as "Christian" that have nothing to do with Christianity such as overdosing on the dead, which is what Mormons do.
There are no Christian Temples. Christians are the Temple of God. Nor are temples mentioned in the passage you quote. Nor do you understand the passage you quoted if you believe the Bible teaches Christians to pretend to be baptized for the dead. [AMPU]
ALL: The Mormon church owns the Deseret Book Co. In 1977, it printed a book entitled: A Topical Guide to the Scriptures of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints...why it wouldn't surprise me if Teppe referenced it as a young missionary lad on the mission field.
I look at the entry for "temple" found on pp. 451-452. Per this source, the Helaman and Alma references are to "unholy temples."
That leaves only three Book of Mormon books that references "temple"...2 Nephi 5:16, Jacob 1:17; 2:2; and 3 Nephi 11:1; 24:1...the last one is about the Lord coming to his temple...The first one is about a temple being built...3 Nephi 11:1 is about being around a temple...which leaves only the book of Jacob telling anybody what was done in a temple...Jacob 1:17 says teaching was going on there...and the word of God was declared in the temple in Jacob 2:2...
That is the full extent of Book of Mormon teachings on the temple!
If Mormonism is some "restoration" of what they were doing in BoM times, then where did all of this ritualism come from???
What hate are you seeing?
Posting the words of mormonism, is hate?
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