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Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!
ConstitutionallySpeaking ^ | March 10, 2013 | ConstitutionallySpeaking

Posted on 03/10/2013 11:58:35 AM PDT by patlin

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To: patlin
What does the word " CHRIST " mean ?

It comes from the Greek word " christos " the meaning, anointed, chosen.
It has the same meaning as the Hebrew word " mashiach " i.e. Messiah.

But wait a minute ? isn't the false messiah, the anti-Christ supposed to set him self up as a messiah ?

The problem is ? the one that is to come, the anti-Christ is not " ANOINTED and CHOSEN " of God.

Jesus Christ Yeshua Messiah was the ONLY ONE who was " ANOINTED " to redeem and save his people.

How did he do that ? not by the law, he did it by being crucified on the cross.... i.e. the blood atonement that God required.

What is the false messiah ? the anti-Christ ? ( i.e. the one who is NOT anointed by GOD, the one who is NOT chosen by GOD ) .......

The anti-Christ is just that.... anti, against, counter, a counterfeit, the one who sets him self up and deny's everything that Yeshua Messiah has done.

The anti-Christ will be against the blood atonement and God's free grace...

That's how you can recognize the spirit of the anti-Christ... those who are dogmatic against the blood atonement and God's free grace.... and those who deny that Christ has come in the flesh, and that Yeshua Messiah was GOD actually in the flesh.

The false prophets will proclaim that there has to be " WORKS " to enter heaven, there has to be " WORKS " to be accepted by GOD.

The devil and the anti-Christ hates the blood atonement and God's free grace...
221 posted on 07/21/2013 6:58:39 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
I find it so amazing how the law preachers, the law teachers are so preoccupied by other people's sins and not their own... does not the bible tell us that to " WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION " ?
He that is without sin cast the first stone.... isn't that what Jesus told us ?


So ? are you so perfect in keeping the commandments that you deserve more than others for God to let you into heaven ? yes or no ?


Ohh yeah ?

The part in : John 14:10 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?

( He was asking them a question, do you not believe that I and the father are one ? he was asking them ? do you believe that he was in the father and the father was in him ?
He was saying that both him and the father are one, it has nothing to do with keeping the law ).

The words that I speak to you I do not speak from Myself.
But the Father who stays in Me does His works.

( What works ? the law preachers would have us think and believe that this is keeping the law, the 10 commandments.)
( But wait a minute ? how about when Jesus and his disciples were eating corn in the field on the holy Sabbath ? how can you explain that patlin ? how ?)

11. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me >
( Once again, Yeshua was saying that he and the father are one.
( Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh, this has nothing to do with keeping the law )
Otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves.

( ahh, the law preachers and law teachers would have us to believe this is about keeping the 10 commandments.)
( This has nothing to do with keeping the 10 commandments.)
( It has to do with the signs and miracles that the Christ will do to prove that he is the " ANOINTED ONE ).
( this word works here means that the works, signs, miracles, that he is the one ).
( John the baptist asked ? is he the one ? is this the Christ, the messiah that we have been waiting for ?
That news got back to Jesus and he told them to tell John that ? the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk.)

12. Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also.

( works, i.e. miracles, ).
I believe you have a failed understanding in how to interpret the scriptures.

Are you a Jehovah Witness ? Mormon ? 7th Day Adventist ?

222 posted on 07/21/2013 7:23:59 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: ChocChipCookie

Thank you. I read the article and felt confused as I had no idea what that point of it was.


223 posted on 07/21/2013 7:30:24 AM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: patlin
So then ?

You want everyone to see how " HOLY " and " RIGHTEIOUS " you are by being so dogmatic in keeping the holy Sabbath...

According the ancient Hebrew laws.. the commandment of the Sabbath.... your not suppose to do any work... opps, there's that word again.. work.
Your not even suppose to walk a certain distance on the Sabbath day.

Let's see how well you REALLY keep God's holy commandment and we will only focus on the commandment of the Sabbath.

Let's see now ?

Do you get up in the morning and get out bed ? that's work.... broke the Sabbath right there.
Do you cook food on the Sabbath ? broke the Sabbath right there.
Do you get in the car and drive to the store on the Sabbath ? broke the Sabbath right there.
If you own a farm and the horse or animals got lose and had to find them and put them back in it's barn ? you broke the Sabbath.
Do you clean the house on the Sabbath ? broke the Sabbath right there.


We can even get into the other commandments...

Thou shall not covet thy neighbors property or anything your neighbor owns.

Let's see now how perfect you really are.

Do you wish you had a nice and newer car like so and so has ? right there you broke that commandment.
Do you wish you had a nicer and newer house like so and so has ? right there you broke the commandment.
Have you ever said NO to your father and mother ? or had a disagreement with them ? right there you broke that commandment.
Wow... it's getting really really hard to live by the law, isn't it ?
Have you ate pork ? unclean meats ? right there you broke the dietary laws of the Hebrews.
Jesus Christ healed people on the Sabbath, did he broke the 10 Commandments ? for the bible tells us that if we broke just one law or commandment, we are guilty of braking ALL the law.
SO now ? are you that perfect for God to allow you into heaven and into the Kingdom of God ?

Certainly NOT !

You are just as guilty of braking God's holy laws as are the rest of us... no one is exempt.. no one can escape.
You live by the law ? you shall keep ALL the law... and you can't brake any part of it.

Your not saved, or have salvation if you are trying to earn your salvation by works.
Salvation alone comes by Jesus Christ and his blood atonement......
224 posted on 07/21/2013 7:55:11 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patlin
All those bible verses you are trying to show me ? guess what ? it's taking about you, yes, you personally.


God's holy law pertains to you too... your not exempt to keep it.

Actually ?

In God's word ? he's asking you, yes, you how well you keep his law ? his commandments since you are so dogmatic in keeping them.

Guess what ?

The Nation of Israel could not keep them perfectly either, so what makes you so special from Israel and the 6 Billion of other people on this planet ?

God's law was to show us how GUILTY all of us are before him.. and the history of the nation of Israel proves and shows that we could not keep it perfectly as God wanted us to keep it... so ? there had to be another way.

Yes, that's right.... everything you have shown me ?

All the bible verses you trow at me ?

Guess what ?

They are pointing back to you, so what makes you so special that you are exempt from them ?

I never claimed I was exempt from God's laws or God's commandments,,, I am GUILTY before GOD.... that's what being poor in the spirit means.. once pride is gone ? you can clearly see.

I am not exempt from God's laws, but, I am delivered from it's penalty of it in Jesus Christ's redemption.

Those who are in Christ are delievered from the " CURSE " of the law.

The law preachers and teachers love to say " Grace does not give you excuse to sin " but, they them selves also have SIN in their lives also, but don't want other people to see it because they want people to see how HOLY they are, or how " RIGHTEOUS " they are, rather, it's self righteiousness in which GOD hates, it's called : PRIDE.

Yup, Pride and hypocrisy.... a mask.... to pretend how " HOLY " you are, to pretend how " RIGHTEOUS " you are, while secret sins abide.
That's how the law preachers, and law preachers live, they are so dogmatic about the law and " OTHER PEOPLE'S " sins, but yet ? they got sins in their own lives that they don't want other people to see because they want to appear " HOLY " and RIGHTEOUS " before other people because of their pride....

That there, is the truth.
225 posted on 07/21/2013 8:17:44 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist
One must first define what righteousness means before one can presume to know whether or not theirs exceeds the scribes and the Pharisees. So let's let the Word of God define it for us shall we?

Dt 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Dt 6:25 Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.’

Do I guard to do all that I am required to do according to Moses (Mt 23:1-3)? Yes. Do I do it perfect? No but the word for perfect is not what the English portrays it to be, it is merely and uprightness in ones heart, they do their best with integrity not compromising by adding to or taking away. And then as Paul and John tell us, when we stumble and we will because we are still in the corruptible flesh, we have Messiah who advocates the state of our heart before the Father and His perfection then covers our sins. As far as the rest, well it all depends on ones understanding of Jewish rabbinic law and the Law of God. Rabbinic law forbade the winnowing of grain (it wasn't corn) in the hand as they considered this work. God's Law says nothing about taking grain or fruit from the field on the Sabbath as one walks by, the key being, hunger, take and eat but do not take to store up for another day.

So it would seem that you have a lack of understanding regarding what is the Law of God and the rabbinic laws of men.

226 posted on 07/21/2013 8:02:38 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin; jimrob

Jim, are you going to demand that this poster take down this post because it is exposing a minister? I did the same thing with rev. Jesse Lee Peterson for real corruption and perjury and you did so with me. Just wondering if you are going to be consistent.


227 posted on 07/21/2013 8:06:49 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: patlin
Those who think like this miss the point.

Grace salvation does not imply " Lawlessness " .

Of course we should have laws in our society, however ? salvation, eternal life is not bought, or earned by keeping the law or good deeds.
The holy spirit is the one who helps us to live the life God intends for us.
Whether the self righteous , those do gooders realize it or not they have sins in their lives that they do not see or admit.
God's standard of perfection goes beyond what any man or woman could have achieve by keeping the law.
What get's lost with the law salvaitoneers, or the works salvaiton people is that ? at what point ( in spite of their inherent condition called " THE FALL " ) does one achieve perfection here on earth for God to accept them ?.
Another thing that get's lost with the works salvationeers is that in spite of the fact that they love to ignore this fact, that ? year after year, decade after decade, century after century ?

In spite of trying to keep the law ?

The high priest had to required by God to bring in a spotless lamb sacrifice to atone for the nations sins.
The works salvationeers, the law salvationeers love to skirt around that fact time after time and can't give a explanation for that, can they ?
If they love to keep the law ? why then ? are there no more animal sacrifices as required by GOD ?
It's because God did away with the old system, God did away with the old covenant.
228 posted on 08/06/2013 2:41:30 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: American Constitutionalist
The original Greek and Hebrew words translated into English as perfect as it pertains to ones walk literally means to walk in uprightness, walk in integrity in ones heart.

Gen 6:9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Did Noah do everything perfectly? No, but he did have it in his heart to do so and so when his flesh failed, what was in his heart redeemed him. And knowing that we are of the flesh, then why would Jesus tell us,

Matt 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Did He literally mean that we must always be perfect in the flesh or is it more like what John teaches us?

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

But now returning to the law, salvation is not based upon the laws of the society we live in today, but the laws of the society that we can not see, the society that our hope is in, the society in which seek to enter. Those are the laws that we are to concern ourselves with first and foremost. Have you not read how Daniel refused to eat of the King's delicacies that were an abomination to God? Have you not read where Daniel and the 3 others refused to bow down and sing to the image of the King? Have you not read where Peter proclaimed that no unclean animal had ever touched his lips and then later it was revealed to Peter that the beasts on the sheet represented mankind and that we are to call any man unclean? FYI, there is no gate in the eternal kingdom labeled "gentile". They are all given the names of the tribes of Israel. Why is that?

229 posted on 08/06/2013 7:18:34 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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