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In Defense of the Papacy: 9 Reasons True Christians Follow the Pope
stpeterslist ^ | February 21, 2013 | HHAMBROSE

Posted on 02/22/2013 5:43:18 PM PST by NYer

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To: terycarl

LOL they became Christians, not Catholics.

Or so the Bible says.


361 posted on 02/26/2013 9:07:38 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
Not anything I could say about your post except to document that in your post scriptural truths are denied and salvation is ridiculed, and your post ends with a foolish game played in your church's basement IIRC.

You are burying pearls deep in the mud.

362 posted on 02/26/2013 9:11:47 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl; Boogieman
the Catholic church, in 2013 years of existance

Oops, scroll up a bit to where you backed off of the 2013 years and changed it to after Jesus was resurrected.

Your inconsistency seems to be your only trait that is consistent.

363 posted on 02/26/2013 9:16:30 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
you bring up this magicians name [Simon Peter Magus--the first Catholic pope] time after time...are you hung up on him???

A false accusation. (I'm not surprised at that)

I have NEVER brought up his name before.

Let me repeat that...You falsely accused me, I have NEVER brought up his name before that one time.

In fact I just recently realized that he is your first pope.

364 posted on 02/26/2013 9:22:50 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: verga

The Truth happens to be Jesus of Nazareth my Lord and Savior....not your pope.


365 posted on 02/26/2013 10:03:11 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Salvation; RegulatorCountry
Rome's New and Novel Concept of Tradition

The Infallble List of Infallible Teachings of Rome

Trent's Anathemas Removed?

The Repudiation of the Doctrine of Development

Rome's New and Novel Concept of Tradition

Unto What Shall We Liken the Roman Hermeneutic?

Unanimus Consent of the Fathers

This Bridge Should Be Illuminated

366 posted on 02/26/2013 11:18:19 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Nifster
The Truth happens to be Jesus of Nazareth my Lord and Savior....not your pope.

Actually the Truth is found in the Church that Jesus started; The Catholic Church:

Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Jesus givs them authority: Mar 13:34 It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake.

And sends them out into the world Joh 17:18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.

Joh 17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And please remember the admonition of uncle marty if it weren't for us "papists" you wouldn't even have the Bible.

367 posted on 02/27/2013 2:10:26 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: terycarl; Boogieman
Amen, terycarl. I think that you had already adequately defined and clarified the Church's teachings about her ability to teach, govern, and sanctify, well before boogieman raised his "as it sounds to me" objection.

Some seem to think that the Church kinda shrunk in authority --- effectively disappeared ---or should I say "petered out"? --- sometime during the 1st century. This thinking fails to take into account that Our Lord explicitly made Peter chief shepherd at the end of the Gospel of John. He promised that hell would not prevail over this Church He was building (Matt. 16:18). He gave the Church the office of teacher (Matt. 28:16-20), and since the Church would be overcome if error prevailed, Jesus' promise that the Church would not be overcome means that the Church's teachings are true.

Jesus promised a special authority to those to whom he said, "I give you the power to bind and to loose" and "He who hears you, hears Me."

368 posted on 02/27/2013 5:49:49 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: verga
The Truth happens to be Jesus of Nazareth my Lord and Savior....not your pope.

Actually the Truth is found in the Church that Jesus started; The Catholic Church

No, the truth is found in Jesus.

Jesus founded HIS church, the body of Christ with Himself as the head.

Not the Catholic church. It was started by men many years later.

As I mentioned to another poster, you can't stuff all Christians into the Catholic church.

Neither can you confine Jesus (The Truth) to your denomination.

Your last scripture quote: "Joh 17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And please remember the admonition of uncle marty if it weren't for us "papists" you wouldn't even have the Bible."

That rendering of scripture is not from God.

The Bible came from the Holy Spirit, not you papists. Even though you claim so in quoted scripture. From Job's uncle marty as an authority. From the Catholic bible?

369 posted on 02/27/2013 6:01:20 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Aw, geez. Find me the word “Bible”. And I mean in the text, not on the title page.”

Wow. That’s too easy, since “Bible” simply means byblos, or book. A quick search shows that the word appears 175 times in the Bible. Gen 5:1, Ex 17:14, Ex 24:17, Ex 32:32, Ex 32:33, Num 5:23, etc, etc.


370 posted on 02/27/2013 6:36:13 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: BipolarBob

Yes, they certainly overcame, but they didn’t survive bodily on the Earth until the end of the tribulation.


371 posted on 02/27/2013 6:38:37 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Steelfish

“Short answer: No. Why? Because Scriptural text can be interpreted a million different ways and so much depends on how Peter, the other Apostles, and their successors understood and applied His teachings.”

I’m sorry, but respectfully, I have to say that is nonsense. What of those Paul talks about who were saved by faith even before Christ walked the Earth, such as Abraham, Noah, etc? They knew Christ, and the gospel such as was given to them before the NT, and even that inferior gospel was sufficient, without any need of Peter, or any apostle. So, clearly the gospel which we have now is more than sufficient for instructing us on how to obtain salvation.


372 posted on 02/27/2013 6:44:31 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Syncro
You are preaching the wrong sermon to the wrong guy. I am a revert Catholic. I left the Church out of ignorance and after spending several years studying theology and history made my way back in.

Everything you have said/ claimed I have investigated and refuted to my satisfaction.

373 posted on 02/27/2013 6:57:45 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Boogieman
Thank you. That's just my point. You know the meaning of "byblos", in Greek, from the context. In some contexts you rightly assume it means Sacred Scripture, in another context it might just mean "book." I never insinuated that the mere word "book"(or "byblos") was never used in the Bible.

But I do know that the word "Bible" as we now use the term, Old Testament and New Testament, does not apear in the Bible. Neither does the Bible itself define what is IN the Bible. No book of the Bible proves, internally, that it is a Biblical book.

(And many books which are NOT in the Bible, make lofty claims to be Sacred Scripture, e.g. the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Gospel of Thomas. These we rightly reject.)

The authority of the Bible itself -- its very identity as authentic Sacred Scripture, the list of its very books --- was established by the practice of the Church from the first centuries.

374 posted on 02/27/2013 7:15:55 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: terycarl

Sure they don’t. I guess approving the death penalty for heresy was not a mistake, in your view?


375 posted on 02/27/2013 7:19:30 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: terycarl

“I back off from NOTHING....the Catholic church, in 2013 years of existance has NEVER issued an official (ex cathedra) statement that was in error!!!!”

Of course you backed off, it’s written in this thread for anyone to see. First you said that they never taught anything that was in opposition to Christ, then you backed that off to say that you only meant the couple of statements they have made ex cathedra on faith and morals. Which means the 99.999999% of their other teachings, covered by your first statement, are not covered by your subsequent statement.


376 posted on 02/27/2013 7:22:10 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t think the church petered out, or shrunk in authority, I simply don’t think the church is what Catholics think it is. They seem to think that it is an earthly organization that was founded by Christ through Peter, whereas I think it is a spiritual organization founded by Christ through the Holy Spirit. I know that Catholics at least acknowledge the spiritual church, but they act as if the earthly one has more importance, when just the opposite is true: the earthly church is just a shadow of the heavenly body of all believers.


377 posted on 02/27/2013 7:26:45 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Jesus mentioned the word "church" only twice in the Gospels, both times in Matthew: in Matt 16:18 when He "builds" it upon the rock of Peter; and in Matt. 18:17 when He says that if you have a dispute with your brother who has sinned against you, you should take it to the Church.

How does a purely invisible church adjudicate between two earthly people who have a dispute?

And at times in history, there have been really big disputes about really big things, such as: what is the list of books which we must regard as the Bible (Sacred Scripture)? How, when and where did an invisible church give a binding ruling on that?

I repeat: how, when, and where?

378 posted on 02/27/2013 8:01:17 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the Living God: the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Tim 3:15)
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To: terycarl
you bring up this magicians name time after time...are you hung up on him???

It's not me...It's you guys...Pete Magus was the priest in Rome while Paul the Apostle was there...Peter the Apostle was never in Rome...You got the wrong Simon Peter...

379 posted on 02/27/2013 8:06:14 AM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Iscool
It's not me...It's you guys...Pete Magus was the priest in Rome while Paul the Apostle was there...Peter the Apostle was never in Rome...You got the wrong Simon Peter...

Where is your proof?

380 posted on 02/27/2013 8:26:20 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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