Posted on 02/22/2013 5:43:18 PM PST by NYer
LOL they became Christians, not Catholics.
Or so the Bible says.
You are burying pearls deep in the mud.
Oops, scroll up a bit to where you backed off of the 2013 years and changed it to after Jesus was resurrected.
Your inconsistency seems to be your only trait that is consistent.
A false accusation. (I'm not surprised at that)
I have NEVER brought up his name before.
Let me repeat that...You falsely accused me, I have NEVER brought up his name before that one time.
In fact I just recently realized that he is your first pope.
The Truth happens to be Jesus of Nazareth my Lord and Savior....not your pope.
The Infallble List of Infallible Teachings of Rome
The Repudiation of the Doctrine of Development
Rome's New and Novel Concept of Tradition
Unto What Shall We Liken the Roman Hermeneutic?
Actually the Truth is found in the Church that Jesus started; The Catholic Church:
Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Jesus givs them authority: Mar 13:34 It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake.
And sends them out into the world Joh 17:18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And please remember the admonition of uncle marty if it weren't for us "papists" you wouldn't even have the Bible.
Some seem to think that the Church kinda shrunk in authority --- effectively disappeared ---or should I say "petered out"? --- sometime during the 1st century. This thinking fails to take into account that Our Lord explicitly made Peter chief shepherd at the end of the Gospel of John. He promised that hell would not prevail over this Church He was building (Matt. 16:18). He gave the Church the office of teacher (Matt. 28:16-20), and since the Church would be overcome if error prevailed, Jesus' promise that the Church would not be overcome means that the Church's teachings are true.
Jesus promised a special authority to those to whom he said, "I give you the power to bind and to loose" and "He who hears you, hears Me."
No, the truth is found in Jesus.The Truth happens to be Jesus of Nazareth my Lord and Savior....not your pope.Actually the Truth is found in the Church that Jesus started; The Catholic Church
Jesus founded HIS church, the body of Christ with Himself as the head.
Not the Catholic church. It was started by men many years later.
As I mentioned to another poster, you can't stuff all Christians into the Catholic church.
Neither can you confine Jesus (The Truth) to your denomination.
Your last scripture quote: "Joh 17:19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And please remember the admonition of uncle marty if it weren't for us "papists" you wouldn't even have the Bible."
That rendering of scripture is not from God.
The Bible came from the Holy Spirit, not you papists. Even though you claim so in quoted scripture. From Job's uncle marty as an authority. From the Catholic bible?
“Aw, geez. Find me the word “Bible”. And I mean in the text, not on the title page.”
Wow. That’s too easy, since “Bible” simply means byblos, or book. A quick search shows that the word appears 175 times in the Bible. Gen 5:1, Ex 17:14, Ex 24:17, Ex 32:32, Ex 32:33, Num 5:23, etc, etc.
Yes, they certainly overcame, but they didn’t survive bodily on the Earth until the end of the tribulation.
“Short answer: No. Why? Because Scriptural text can be interpreted a million different ways and so much depends on how Peter, the other Apostles, and their successors understood and applied His teachings.”
I’m sorry, but respectfully, I have to say that is nonsense. What of those Paul talks about who were saved by faith even before Christ walked the Earth, such as Abraham, Noah, etc? They knew Christ, and the gospel such as was given to them before the NT, and even that inferior gospel was sufficient, without any need of Peter, or any apostle. So, clearly the gospel which we have now is more than sufficient for instructing us on how to obtain salvation.
Everything you have said/ claimed I have investigated and refuted to my satisfaction.
But I do know that the word "Bible" as we now use the term, Old Testament and New Testament, does not apear in the Bible. Neither does the Bible itself define what is IN the Bible. No book of the Bible proves, internally, that it is a Biblical book.
(And many books which are NOT in the Bible, make lofty claims to be Sacred Scripture, e.g. the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Gospel of Thomas. These we rightly reject.)
The authority of the Bible itself -- its very identity as authentic Sacred Scripture, the list of its very books --- was established by the practice of the Church from the first centuries.
Sure they don’t. I guess approving the death penalty for heresy was not a mistake, in your view?
“I back off from NOTHING....the Catholic church, in 2013 years of existance has NEVER issued an official (ex cathedra) statement that was in error!!!!”
Of course you backed off, it’s written in this thread for anyone to see. First you said that they never taught anything that was in opposition to Christ, then you backed that off to say that you only meant the couple of statements they have made ex cathedra on faith and morals. Which means the 99.999999% of their other teachings, covered by your first statement, are not covered by your subsequent statement.
I don’t think the church petered out, or shrunk in authority, I simply don’t think the church is what Catholics think it is. They seem to think that it is an earthly organization that was founded by Christ through Peter, whereas I think it is a spiritual organization founded by Christ through the Holy Spirit. I know that Catholics at least acknowledge the spiritual church, but they act as if the earthly one has more importance, when just the opposite is true: the earthly church is just a shadow of the heavenly body of all believers.
How does a purely invisible church adjudicate between two earthly people who have a dispute?
And at times in history, there have been really big disputes about really big things, such as: what is the list of books which we must regard as the Bible (Sacred Scripture)? How, when and where did an invisible church give a binding ruling on that?
I repeat: how, when, and where?
It's not me...It's you guys...Pete Magus was the priest in Rome while Paul the Apostle was there...Peter the Apostle was never in Rome...You got the wrong Simon Peter...
Where is your proof?
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