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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: terycarl
>>but it is clear to all Catholics that He chose the Catholic church to carry His message to the world!! <<

There, fixed it for ya.

2,041 posted on 01/18/2013 4:22:35 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: terycarl
no He isn't, but it is clear to all that He chose the Catholic church to carry His message to the world!!

No. Paul told the CORINTHIAN believers here.....

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Every believer is responsible for taking the message of the gospel to the world around him.

2,042 posted on 01/18/2013 4:24:30 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
no He isn't, but it is clear to all that He chose the Catholic church to carry His message to the world!!

No. Paul told the CORINTHIAN believers here.....

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Every believer is responsible for taking the message of the gospel to the world around him.

2,043 posted on 01/18/2013 4:25:39 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Natural Law; Elsie
I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by posting...out of context statements

LOL!

Is that patented and only allowed for use by Catholics?

Out of Context Posting ® © Catholicism 379AD

2,044 posted on 01/18/2013 4:28:38 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl; Elsie
how many times are you going to repost that inane “bad Popes list”????

It's not inane. It's very relevant.

I'm sure Catholics would much rather keep that sort of thing out of the public eye. It really doesn't look good for all the claims Catholics make about Catholicism. It just annihilates their credibility.

Too bad. They're your guys. You own them.

2,045 posted on 01/18/2013 4:29:34 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
On the contrary, it's Catholicism which perpetuates those myths. .....better be looking for a new denomination!!! no they don't, and Catholicism is not a denomination, it is true Christianity...
2,046 posted on 01/18/2013 4:29:34 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Natural Law
God persevered HIS own Word. IT IS His Word - it is HIM. And 'The Word was GOD'. Not a good road to be on to say man did what only GOD can do. But there are two roads, your choice. This goes back to your 'trying to narrow' God, the ALL Knowing, All Seeing God.

Don't talk about having error when you post this..The Sacred Scripture proceeded from the oral Traditions of the Apostles preserved and handed down by the Church.

Jesus said It IS WRITTEN to satan. And I say It is Written to Rome and all it's subjects when they say 'oral'. Jesus knew who satan would use to deceived with 'oral' before Rome/RCC showed it's ugly face.

THANK YOU, JESUS!!

There is nothing sacred about man made teachings - only sacred to the counterfeit/satan. Rome/the gates of hell - did not prevail against God's Church/His Body for born again Christians, have His Word and the Holy Spirit as their Teacher who dwells in them - as they did since the time of 'ACTS'.

God is Faithful to HIS Word. Rome was exposed for IT IS WRITTEN.

2,047 posted on 01/18/2013 4:30:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: terycarl

In their dreams......


2,048 posted on 01/18/2013 4:32:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
>>and Catholicism is not a denomination, it is true Christianity...<<

Not with all those pagan rituals, ceremonies, and symbols their not.

2,049 posted on 01/18/2013 4:34:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: presently no screen name; Natural Law
Don't talk about having error when you post this..The Sacred Scripture proceeded from the oral Traditions of the Apostles preserved and handed down by the Church.

"Did God really say....???" Satan always attacks the integrity of the Word first because he knows that is what he can't stand against, it has defeated him.

So instead of it being *God breathed* Catholicism teaches that it's simply a matter of transcribing *oral tradition*.

No big deal.... so they think.

Another Catholic doctrine which is contradicted by Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:14-16 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

2,050 posted on 01/18/2013 4:41:10 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
how many times are you going to repost that inane “bad Popes list”????
Probably until Catholics step up and aknowledge that what they did was horrible instead of just saying, Oh there are sinners in every denomination-- and might also deny that they should still be venerated as Holy (Could be excommunicated if done? No one knows who you are on the www..)

how many times are you going to repost that inane "Catholic church brought you the Bible and is the only true church AND that God chose the Catholic church to carry His message to the world???"

2,051 posted on 01/18/2013 4:41:19 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Natural Law; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...

Pure sophistry. In Roman Catholicism, what Scripture and Sacred Tradition say only have the authority Rome gives them, and no evidence to the contrary can be allowed based upon that premise. According to her interpretation, or decree, only her interpretation can be correct in any conflict.

That is a lie, and once again (linked for the mod at least) you evidence you cannot refrain from charging those who expose Rome with lying, besides attributing intent to mislead.

The fact is that there is nothing in the additional context that is contrary to what i described, and instead it affirms i, as will be shown.

This is getting old. Like one of your comrades who is also prone to make rash accusations, you also have been exposed before as making false allegations What i intended to do was just what Manning supports, which others can see but which you do not or will not, despite your claims to be a teacher.

Rather than a completely different picture, what Manning is stating is just what i said, that Scripture is not the supreme authority for Rome, but she is the ultimate judge of what the Scriptures and the past means, and having autocratically declared she cannot be wrong in any conflict when she assuredly says that she is right, then Scripture, history, tradition can mean whatever they say that mean in order to support them. No amount of evidence against praying to the departed will deter her from affirming this Tradition, for Scriptural warrant is not necessary and in Rome's constrained eyesight she sees nothing forbidding such. The Orthodox rejection of the IM of Mary, papal infallibility, etc. does not deter her either, as she has infallibly declared that she is infallible when speaking according to her infallible defined scope and content-based criteria.

Let us now examine the “completely different picture” that your Roman eyesight sees:

“The doctrines of the Church in all ages are primitive. It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine. How can we know what antiquity was except through the Church? No individual, no number of individuals can go back through eighteen hundred years to reach the doctrines of antiquity. We may say with the woman of Samaria, ‘Sir, the well is deep, and thou hast nothing to draw with.’ No individual mind now has contact with the revelation of Pentecost, except through the Church. Historical evidence and biblical criticism are human after all, and amount at most to no more than opinion, probability, human judgment, human tradition.”

The problem here is not invoking historical legacy, but than rather than trying to make a epistemological case, Manning presumes Rome has assured veracity, essentially blithely dismissing all contrary evidence as no more than opinion, based upon the very premise which i stated, that of Rome's assured veracity. In contrast, the church began in dissent from those who likewise presumed a level of veracity above that which is written (interpreting themselves to have such), while the claims of Christ and the church were established upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. We for our part cannot claim assured infallibility, but must depend on the Scriptural manifestation of the truth.

“It is not enough that the fountain of our faith be Divine. It is necessary that the channel be divinely constituted and preserved…. The Church contains the fountain of faith in itself, and is not only the channel divinely created and sustained, but the very presence of the spring-head of the water of life, ever fresh and ever flowing in all ages of the world.”

This is simply argument by assertion. The Tradition-based Orthodox contrary view of Peter is dismissed as are all others, based upon Rome's high opinion of herself, not the merits of the case.

I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness. Its past is present with it, for both are one to a mind which is immutable. Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves. The Church is always primitive and always modern at one and the same time; and alone can expound its own mind, as an individual can declare its own thoughts. ‘For what man knoweth the things of a man, but the spirit of a man that is in him? So the things also that are of God no man knoweth, but the Spirit of God.’ The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour.”

Thus by implication only what Rome says is true in any conflict and nothing contrary can possible be true, for Rome is a Christian oracle infallibly channeling the past which no one else can do. Thus for the Roman Catholic, assurance is not based upon Scripture substantiation, else they would be like an SS type Protestant evangelical, but it rests upon the premise of Rome's assured infallibility. And therefore many of her Roman Catholic apologists also engage in arguments by assertion, being driven to dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary, and who often resort to ad hominem attacks in their knee-jerk reactions against anything that seems to impugn Rome. All of which is an argument against the very church they seek to defend.

You have once more been exposed as making false charges, and rather than engage in more sophistry and damage control, just repent and apologize.


2,052 posted on 01/18/2013 4:45:59 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: CynicalBear; terycarl; Elsie
tc:>>and Catholicism is not a denomination, it is true Christianity...<<

Not with all those pagan rituals, ceremonies, and symbols their not.

From the RCC favorite book of the Bible....

James 1:26-27 26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. 27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Hmmm, looks like the Catholic hierarchy is having more than a bit of trouble with the *keep oneself unstained from the world.* part of the verse.

Oh, Elsie, about that *inane* list of bad popes. Perhaps we need to add all those priests their church has been having trouble with as well.

2,053 posted on 01/18/2013 4:48:49 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Syncro
Probably until Catholics step up and aknowledge that what they did was horrible instead of just saying, Oh there are sinners in every denomination-- and might also deny that they should still be venerated as Holy (Could be excommunicated if done? No one knows who you are on the www..)

It's generally a different reaction when it's non-Catholic clergy involved in some moral failure.

Catholics are big on *Do as I say, not as I do*.

Very reminiscent of the Pharisees, as I recall.

2,054 posted on 01/18/2013 4:51:56 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
Wow! Even God is limited by what the Catholic Church does?

When you pray to God to be rescued from a flood, and a fireman comes along in a boat, take the ride with him....chances are that God Himself is not going to walk on the water to rescue you...He uses others to do His will, and He used the Catholic church to bring you Christianity and the Bible....say thanks, Catholics!!

2,055 posted on 01/18/2013 5:06:01 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Elsie
male goats nickname is always Billy ALWAYS?

yes always....if you do it right!!! I say something in jest and suddenly ir becomes dogma....A male goat is the Billy as in Billy GOAT Gruff...you get to name your goat whatever you want, the goat couldn't care less.

2,056 posted on 01/18/2013 5:13:53 PM PST by terycarl
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To: CynicalBear
Wow! That didn’t change a thing as to what daniel1212 was getting at. It only reinforced it. Exactly. Its obvious Manning is asserting that the past is only assuredly what Rome says it is, but as this offends certain overreactionaries of Rome so they must attack them, no matter what the cost to their own credibility.
2,057 posted on 01/18/2013 5:15:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Elsie
Gee; THANKS! Elijah

Elijah foretold Jesus, he did not introduce Him.

2,058 posted on 01/18/2013 5:16:16 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Syncro

That is what the premise leads to.


2,059 posted on 01/18/2013 5:28:30 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom
"I'm sure Catholics would much rather keep that sort of thing out of the public eye."

Here is a lesson in the Catholic concept of Both / And. Both John 8:7 and Luke 18:11 apply

2,060 posted on 01/18/2013 5:29:57 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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