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Catholics, Protestants, and Immaculate Mary
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8, 2012 | David G. Bonagura, Jr.

Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: narses; CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums
"Me, I will stick with the Faith handed down and shepherded by the hand=picked successors of the Apostles of Our Lord appointed as guardians of the faith here on earth".

You mean Peter and the eleven, who, according to Galatians 2:7-10, when they perceived the GRACE that was given unto Paul, the ones who had been sent into "all the world" to preach "the gospel" to "every creature" and make disciples of "all nations"....after this commission given to them by Christ (Matt.28:19, Mark 16:15), after they perceived the GRACE given to Paul, that OTHER Apostle, entered into a SOLEMN AGREEMENT with this OTHER APOSTLE, that he, Paul, should go to the Gentiles WHLE THEY CONFINED THEIR MINISTRY TO ISRAEL.(Gal. 2:7-9). Don't you understand that with that act, Peter and the 11 LOOSED themselves from that "great commission" to take the Kingdom Gospel to all nations??

They REMAINED IN ISRAEL, ministering to the Jews. There IS NO APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION, according to this very Scripture, which, correct me if I'm wrong, Rome claims to have written, along with the rest of the NT. Uh-oh...

4,201 posted on 01/03/2013 6:27:05 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: metmom

Why?


4,202 posted on 01/03/2013 6:27:22 PM PST by narses
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To: smvoice

4,203 posted on 01/03/2013 6:28:21 PM PST by narses
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To: narses; metmom; annalex; smvoice; RnMomof7; boatbums; caww; Iscool; presently no screen name; ...
You still haven’t shown where I have said any of those things are pagan. I have simply pointed out that many of the customs and traditions of many religions have there origin in pagan customs.

I have rather often posted this.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

I judge no one on what they celebrate. Nor am I responsible for the lack of reading comprehension on your part, assumption you make, or guilt you may have self inflicted for some reason.

You have repeatedly accused me of saying something I have not said. I will leave it to the readers what that indicates. I would suggest that you either prove that I said what you claim or leave in the mind of the readers an additional reason to take what you say with little credibility.

4,204 posted on 01/03/2013 6:29:10 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: annalex
Their efforts fill them with Christ's grace which alone saves.

Wrong.

James 4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

And the opposite: denial of the Church founded by Christ separates them from His grace.

Book, chapter, and verse please.

God gives grace, not the church.

4,205 posted on 01/03/2013 6:31:28 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; narses; metmom
...or post a box of cereal. That always leaves us speechless...
4,206 posted on 01/03/2013 6:32:06 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear

OK, since you are changing your tune, tell us what Christian Creeds you agree with?

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


4,207 posted on 01/03/2013 6:32:06 PM PST by narses
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To: narses

I was hungry this morning and you gave me nothing. Uh oh.


4,208 posted on 01/03/2013 6:32:47 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

OK, since you are changing your tune, tell us what Christian Creeds you agree with?


4,209 posted on 01/03/2013 6:33:56 PM PST by narses
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To: annalex

To explain the reason for the good works, that we might walk in them.

Doing good works brings God honor and glory and testifies to the validity of our faith. They do not save us. Works don’t save because they can’t save.

Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. There is no other means of salvation.


4,210 posted on 01/03/2013 6:35:21 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses; CynicalBear

To verify if your claims about CB are valid and accurate.

If the links to the posts are not forthcoming, then not a poster on this forum is under any obligation to believe any of them. They can be dismissed as slander and calumny.


4,211 posted on 01/03/2013 6:37:59 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: annalex
>> denial of the Church founded by Christ separates them from His grace.<<

No one here other than Catholics have denied the church founded by Christ. Catholics continually deny that those who have accepted Christ as their savior are part of the church founded by Christ.

The church I belong to is much older than the RCC.

Romans 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

Colossians 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

Philemon 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

We see the RCC which was established years later this way.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

4,212 posted on 01/03/2013 6:39:44 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: narses; CynicalBear

What a joke.

Agree with the CCC and you’re OK.

Agree with the creeds and you in.

Agree with Scripture and you’re a heretic and will burn in hell forever.

Go figure.


4,213 posted on 01/03/2013 6:40:22 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Annalex: denial of the Church founded by Christ separates them from His grace.

Indeed:

Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood. (1 Timothy 4:14)

4,214 posted on 01/03/2013 6:43:26 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: narses
>>OK, since you are changing your tune<<

LOL Prove that I am changing my tune. Or is that one more false accusation? You made the accusation now you need to back up what you say.

4,215 posted on 01/03/2013 6:44:46 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You were part of the Church by baptism, but lapsed when you accepted Protestant heresies. At his point, judging by your posts, you are not in her.


4,216 posted on 01/03/2013 6:45:48 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: metmom

Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, and the other “religions” that claim they have “additional information” all claim the scriptures aren’t enough. All claim they are the only true church. There seems to be a common thread there.


4,217 posted on 01/03/2013 6:49:08 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice
>> That always leaves us speechless...<<

It should. There is little to say about that depth of understanding of theological study.

4,218 posted on 01/03/2013 6:51:47 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Maybe Easter Ham is in order?
Then you evidently don’t realize that you are trying to tie the two different observances together and intimate that when you get together on Easter Sunday you are celebrating the Passover. You need to get it through your head that the rituals of Easter are not celebrating the Passover. Easter ham, hot cross buns, sunrise services, and all the rest are of Pagan origin and have nothing to do with the Passover.
http://209.157.64.201/focus/bloggers/2709485/posts?q=1&;page=301#317
4,219 posted on 01/03/2013 6:53:41 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear
It’s interesting that you attack me personally rather then point to scripture that condones Easter. I pointed to scripture that condemns the practices and rituals of Easter started long ago by Semiramis after the death of her son Tamuz. There are many instances in scripture where God warns of adopting the pagan practices. Rather then attack me why don’t you do some study on the history of Easter. You have been warned.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2708561/replies?c=34
4,220 posted on 01/03/2013 6:55:03 PM PST by narses
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