Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer
To multitudes of former Catholics who found regeneration in Christ and walked therein, your and Rome’s self exaltation and depreciations of her competition have simply become empty bombast due to the lack of warrant they find for them. “For the kingdom of God is not in word -self declaration] , but in power.” (1 Corinthians 4:20)
Possibly, because I'm not worthy enough to presume I could fall and freely make a mistake to lose eternal love. I just keep loving Christ no matter what life throws at me and understand that trials and persecutions ARE Blessings,even though they hurt deeply,I must remember that my sufferings are nothing compared to His
You’re wrong.
http://catholicprayerstotheworld.blogspot.com/2009/08/spiritual-warfare-prayer.html
Prayer is something that actually brings Catholic’s and protestants together
A cut and paste with no attribution? Dishonesty in prayer. Now there’s one I haven’t seen here before. Oy!
In fact this poster claims ALL organized religions are wrong and that even venerating a simple Cross is pagan. Given that this is the point of view from which he views the world, why should anyone pay attention to his odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?
I don't have to find any of that in the Holy Scripture. The Church was built and empowered by Christ before any of the New Testament was written, by our very Church, and the Holy Ghost dictated what to put in scripture and what to leave to the Magisterium of the Church to teach.
Well, I have no other truth but the one I know; how you take it is up to you.
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.
Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.
In English:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen
“” Dishonesty in prayer””
There is no dishonesty in hope and prayer. Again, you reveal the spirit in which you speak
Of course He did. I suppose all those who believed and told they were saved prior to all those other “you must believes” were brought in retroactively or something? One wonders if somehow the apostles just forgot to include all that extra stuff.
Or not! Catholics fall for the strangest things.
I answer posts that ask a valid question or make a reasonable point, so long that they are argumented and not repetitive, without regard to the poster's person. Others I ignore. On longer threads I ignore more often than on shorter ones.
These recent ones were on many people's mind, so I figured I should clarify. My general intention is to post less on this thread as it is not likely to be read this far by anyone other than the posters themselves.
None of us are worthy. We would all fall away if it wasn't for our Lord's substaining grace. That is our nature. It's a matter of trust in depending on Christ to substain us. You prayed:
Sometimes I wonder if people understand 1) what they are praying, and 2) believe what they are praying.
Php_1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
That prayer is in the public domain. None of the many sites that contain it claim any authorship or copyright.
There's a problem with that theory. It requires circular thinking. "It depends on what the definition of is is..."
Jesus made it very clear that He would come to us in the form of the Holy Spirit, to empower and help us. It is that very Spirit which raised Christ from the dead. On the day at Pentecost, the believers received this gift and were said to be drunk!
But, even Peter made it clear that anybody could receive that gift.. anybody that simply believes! ... and they were nowhere near Rome!
Acts 2:8 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
One is only asked to believe what is proposed at the time by the Church for his salvation; not the doctrinal developments that occur later, in response to heresies that spring up later. Incidentally, no one was ever "told they were saved" in the sense modern Protestants put in this formula; we discussed it, based on the scripture, earlier and more than once. They were told to "work out their salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12) and "make sure their calling ans election" (2 Peter 1:10).
Dear Brother,
I take nothing for granted because I’m not worthy to do so. I knew from the day Our Lord picked me up from the pits that my life was going to be harder than ever before because this world we live in hates Him, and will hate me because of my love for Him when I proclaim this love against everything that this pluralistical society deems as correct.
I understand that real love comes with a cross
Absolutely, and many do. In my church there are converts brought in every Easter, and we are grateful to the Protestant communities of faith that put the love for Christ in them.
Anticipating the question, yes, I know that some also leave; may God have mercy on them. The point is, indeed anyone can come to full communion with Christ, the Church, and His saints.
One wishing to come to the Catholic Church needs to participate in Catholic initiation program for adults. It has several stages of commitment, from pure exploration to preparation for the Sacraments. Fall is a good time to start for First Communion on Easter. Children can be baptized any time with Catholic sponsors. Most Protestant baptisms are valid; if doubt exists, a conditional baptism is done. People who remarried and are sexually active in the civil re-marriage may need to seek annulment of the first marriage or separate and commit to chastity. Inquire at the nearest parish, but my advice is to find out where a good adult initiation program exists and go there.
Former Catholics who dropped out of their Catholic faith can revert any time upon coming to confession, provided that a remarriage, if any, is regularized with the Church.
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