Why Jews don't believe in Jesus

Aish ^ | Dec 6, 2012 | Rabbi Simmons

[Future Snake Eater]

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -- John 14:6

I don't know if "impose" is the right word, but it definitely sounds like "it's my way or the highway" to me.

[jjotto]

The meaning is that millions of Jews killed by Christians is fair retribution for Jews either killing their God, or for the 27 early Christians killed by Jewish sects 1900 or so years ago.

[Truth2012]

Jesus was talking about lessons from the House of Hillel. He was teaching people to interpret the law of Moses, with the Spirit of the law. The opposing house taught people to see the world by letter of the law.

Jesus was not out to start a new religion but to fulfill the law and fulfill prophecy, and to turn people to seeing God by the authentic lessons of the Spirit.

Christianity is unorthodox Judaism. The old Testament is bigger than the New Testament. There is no way to understand Jesus without really reading the Old Testament lessons.

And to prove He was right, that He was the son of God, for all skeptics, He rose from the dead and converted people from their various views and a worldwide movement of His teachings has been going on since.

He say that He, (Jesus) was the only way (redeemer) to the Father ,God.

Yes, he wanted to impose His beliefs and he wanted His followers to impose His beliefs.

[sakic]

Your post switched from enjoying the many views posted and then told us the truth according to you. No one’s version of absolute truth possesses more merit than the next guy, except for the insane.

[sakic]

Can a Christian be a Moslem if he practices elements of both?

[sakic]

Where did I write that? I have never heard anyone say that Jesus wasn’t Jewish.

Again, I am no expert on Christianity but I had always believed that Christianity came about after Jesus died. I apologize if that is untrue.

[PapaBear3625]

Can a Christian be a Moslem if he practices elements of both?

The fundamental question is "Does he believe that Jesus is God made Man, and the Messiah foretold in the Bible?". If yes, then he is a Christian, and Muslims will not accept him as a Muslim because it is part of Islam that God has no son.

There is not such a clear, scripture-based basis for saying that a Jew who believes that Jesus was the foretold Messiah is no longer to be considered a Jew.

Question again: do you think it's possible to be atheist and still Jewish? There are plenty of people around who are atheist, of Jewish descent, and are still considered Jews by many Jews.

[PapaBear3625]

Again, I am no expert on Christianity but I had always believed that Christianity came about after Jesus died. I apologize if that is untrue.

A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus is the foretold Messiah. As such Jesus, his apostles, and anybody else around him who believed, were Jews who were also Christians.

[Lera]

The Disciples were Jewish. Paul is the only Gentile
Paul was no gentile . His name was Saul before changing it to Paul. In his own words he was a Hebrew of Hebrews ,a Pharisee. Saul (Paul) was a student of Rabban Gamaliel (the grandson of Hillel ,the famous Hillel as in House of Hillel not that of Shammai )and he was of the tribe of Benjamin


Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

[Lera]

“Jesus in the Talmud”
http://www.moriel.org/Teaching/Online/Jesus_in_the_Talmud/01_Introduction.html

[Truth2012]

Yes, I know. I have already corrected that numerous times in this thread.

[rabidralph]

I think it’s funny that when Jesus comes back, Gentiles will look up and say, “Hey, it’s the Messiah!” Jews will look up and say, “Hey, it’s the Messiah!”

[boatbums]

There are nearly 400 Messianic prophecies in the Old Testament. This link identifies 48 of them with the Scripture reference of its first being prophesied and its fulfillment: 48 "Dead-On" Prophesies About Messiah Yeshua. This link shows 365 prophecies: Y'shua fulfilled more than 300 prophecies.

Some of the most noteworthy of them, and which explains this "national" rejection is that the TRUE Messiah would be rejected of his own people:

Psalm 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Isaiah 6:9-12 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Daniel 9:24-26 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

[boatbums]

Also, only the true Messiah would have GENTILES that follow him. Many people through the millennia have proclaimed themselves falsely to be THE Messiah, but why is it ONLY Jesus of Nazareth that the Gentiles of the world (2 Billion)have believed in for two thousand years?

[boatbums]

Your post switched from enjoying the many views posted and then told us the truth according to you. No one’s version of absolute truth possesses more merit than the next guy, except for the insane.

I wonder what the definition of "absolute" truth means then? It can't be absolute if it is relative. If there is truth that is absolute, it is true regardless if anyone believes it or not.

[Lera]

All this is true so far as it goes, but the most basic thing is that the Jewish religion is the Torah, which is everlasting and is not a "preparation" for a greater revelation to come.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

[tophat9000]

Sakic you wrote It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do

So if Jesus taught to accept him as the Christ (that's what makes one a Christian) ...

And if I accept your statement as true that "It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do"...

Then it would be impossible Jesus, being the teacher of this, to be Jewish....

It other words, Jesus was the first to accept "Jesus" as Christians do, he/Jesus was the teacher of the Christians to follow him

Or do you content Christians do not follow what Jesus really taught?

I'm not trying to be difficult.. just trying to follow your logic ..

I meant whats true for the student must be true for the teacher... would you not agree?

[tophat9000]

Sakic you wrote It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do

So if Jesus taught to accept him as the Christ (that's what makes one a Christian) ...

And if I accept your statement as true that "It is impossible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as Christians do"...

Then it would be impossible Jesus, being the teacher of this, to be Jewish....

It other words, Jesus was the first to accept "Jesus" as Christians do, he/Jesus was the teacher of the Christians to follow him

Or do you content Christians do not follow what Jesus really taught?

I'm not trying to be difficult.. just trying to follow your logic ..

In the context of your stament about being Jewish and/or Christians, whats true for the student must be true for the teacher... would you not agree?

[circlecity]

"I suppose you got the usual "new testament" quotations to "prove" that J*sus was the messiah?"

We could bring those up. Or we could just rely on the words of Moses from the Torah. Words which confirm that the Torah IS a preparation for a greater revelation to come. But your heart is hardened just a Pharoh's was and Paul cautions us against vain arguments with this sort.

[sakic]

It is possible to be atheist and Jewish if you accept the idea that Jewish is not just religion-based, which many do. There does seem to be a genetic component to being Jewish, and that is a disease more prevalent to Jews.

My mother, and many others, view Judaism as religious, cultural and genetic, but the most important aspect remains your belief system and that system totally rejects Jesus as messiah.