Posted on 11/19/2012 3:58:19 AM PST by NYer
The Church says that abortion is intrinsically evil; public execution of criminals is not. The Seamless garment crowd are just trying to obsfucate the radical . Blame this on the Bernardin Catholics. or the social jtsuce crowd, who also distort the teachings on the Church. They identify society and the state.
If we could be sure he will be. It works rather well in Germany, which has no death penalty , but keeps murderers locked up. Here our rights-based legal system constantly works to get them out, and we have so many prisoners that the state less careful about letting them loose
If we could be sure he will be. It works rather well in Germany, which has no death penalty , but keeps murderers locked up. Here our rights-based legal system constantly works to get them out, and we have so many prisoners that the state less careful about letting them loose
Abortion = 1 million a year. Death penalty, single digits.
The issue isn’t the people who oppose abortion and oppose the death penalty. The issue are the people who support abortion.
“If we could be sure he will be. It works rather well in Germany, which has no death penalty , but keeps murderers locked up. Here our rights-based legal system constantly works to get them out, and we have so many prisoners that the state less careful about letting them loose.”
I’d much prefer that tradeoff - no death penalty - no release. Life should mean life.
Well, it looks like half the Catholics are “catholics”.
The aforementioned “catholics” being wild-eyed, baby-killing, packer/muncher socialists.
Bad news for the real Catholics.
"And it is what many here want you to believe as well."
So true. One thing for sure, one group makes up the largest percentage of finger pointers who obviously don't care nearly as much about turning the country around and bringing their American countrymen to Christ as they care about pointing fingers and sewing divisions among Christians.
That sort of behavior makes you wonder just how many of those constantly pointing fingers are flying a flag of convenience and don't actually believe any of what they claim to be a part of. Either they're just like the democrats they claim to oppose and put their politics ahead of their religion, or their religion is just a convenient excuse to spread divisions among people who are going to have to work together if we're ever going to turn the country around.
It works in Germany because the Germans are not sentimental about criminals. People are sent to prison to punish them. They are at once treated better and not coddled. Our prisons are full of petty criminals because of the war on drugs, and somehow government officials dont discriminate between the ax= murderer and the drug pusher.
“petty criminals because of the war on drugs”
Ahh, I thought I sniffed a libertarian.
Criminals are criminals. Break the law, go to jail.
Some criminals are more dangerous than others. A murderer is more dangerous than a drug-pusher, unless, of course, the pusher heads a gang that does murder.
So when a drug pusher sells drugs to your daughter, will you think the same?
FEW of my Baptist Bretheren vote Dem
The SBC is not known for its minority population, just the opposite. Blacks and Hispanics voted dem.
The difference in vote correlates much more with race, age, and church attendance, much more that church or denomination. The causal argument breaks down - evangelical, mega, catholic, baptist, etc.
The problem with megachurches, in the context of my comment, is they tend to die out with their charismatic leader. What I was pointing to was stability of congregation and teaching. Megachurch leaders tend to have their own take or emphasis, Olsteen for example.
Thanks for your reply.
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2008 Generic
Catholic Vote
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2012 Generic
Catholic Vote
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Catholic
Vote
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State
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% of Catholics
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McCain %
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Obama %
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Romney %
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Obama %
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Romney 2012 vs.
McCain 2008
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AZ
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23
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49
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49
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50
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50
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+1
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CA
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28
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37
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58
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38
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62
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+1
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CT
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48
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50
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46
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49
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51
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-1
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FL
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28
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49
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50
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52
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47
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+3
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IA
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23
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41
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50
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52
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47
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+11
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ME
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26
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37
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61
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41
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56
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+4
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MI
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29
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46
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51
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55
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44
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+9
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NV
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25
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42
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57
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46
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51
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+4
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NH
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38
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50
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50
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54
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46
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+4
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NJ
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44
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55
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45
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43
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45
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-1
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NM
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32
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29
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69
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32
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64
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+3
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NY
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42
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41
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59
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53
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47
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+12
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NC
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9
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N/A
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N/A
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66
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34
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OH
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26
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52
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47
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55
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44
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+3
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PA
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35
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52
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48
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50
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49
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-2
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VA
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15
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N/A
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N/A
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55
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45
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WI
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32
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47
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53
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56
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44
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+9
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Ping for later
From wiki, concerning the penalty for murder in Germany:
“The penalty for Mord is lifelong imprisonment, which is usually suspended after 1718 years (15 years minimum) on a probation of 5 years or if the court decided on a special gravity (Feststellung der besonderen Schwere der Schuld), the sentence can only be suspended much later, earliest after 18 years but usually after 2223 years (the law states that a suspension after 15 years is not possible for ‘special gravity’ crimes, but provides no explicit minimum served time).”
So - murder gets you about 15 - 23 years in Germany. Not terrible, but for the worst folks, I much prefer the death penalty.
As well, murderers kill in prison, and sometimes escape from prison. Ted Bundy killed about 50 folks, got caught, escaped, killed three more folks.
Since his execution, he hasn’t killed even a single person.
sitetest
“The Church remains whole and correct in Her teaching”
This is a point which caused me to revert years ago. So many would like to change the teachings but they can’t and they won’t becuase the truth is not up for a vote.
You will find that the evangelical vote will be more conservative than the Catholic in each age, race ans attendance category.
As regards megachurches, I would say that they cannot be broadbrushed, but must be separated by type. The problem with Osteen type churches is that they owe their numbers to a saltless gospel of perfectly pleasing preaching, and others to Benny Hinn type charisma and counterfeits.
Then you have Calvary Chapel types, as well as 57% of megachurches being founded before 1961, in which more legit qualities may be are at work, and often demographics.
Could you post those stats? I'd really like to see the race breakdowns, particularly black and hispanic.
Thanks.
You are mistaken about this. The error is categorizing an intrinsic evil (taking innocent life) with a prudential judgement. As Evangelium Vitae teaches, “You shall not kill” has absolute value when it refers to the innocent person.”
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