Posted on 04/29/2012 3:06:06 PM PDT by NYer
And those same ones justifying the Inquisition cry now about their mistreatment over gov. mandates.
Scam.
I choose to cooperate. Had I not I would be like those unsaved who by their own choice and free will rejected salvation. God did not reject them.
Because we are human we are wounded by original sin and every hour of every day we are presented with the choice to either cooperate with Grace or with sin. Those who presume grace and deny the ability to sin are at the greatest risk.
CCC 2022 The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
Peace be with you.
I choose to cooperate. Had I not I would be like those unsaved who by their own choice and free will rejected salvation. God did not reject them.
Because we are human we are wounded by original sin and every hour of every day we are presented with the choice to either cooperate with Grace or with sin. Those who presume grace and deny the ability to sin are at the greatest risk.
CCC 2022 The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
Peace be with you.
I choose to cooperate. Had I not I would be like those unsaved who by their own choice and free will rejected salvation. God did not reject them.
Because we are human we are wounded by original sin and every hour of every day we are presented with the choice to either cooperate with Grace or with sin. Those who presume grace and deny the ability to sin are at the greatest risk.
CCC 2022 The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
Peace be with you.
I choose to cooperate. Had I not I would be like those unsaved who by their own choice and free will rejected salvation. God did not reject them.
Because we are human we are wounded by original sin and every hour of every day we are presented with the choice to either cooperate with Grace or with sin. Those who presume grace and deny the ability to sin are at the greatest risk.
CCC 2022 The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
Peace be with you.
Are you more holy than your neighbor? Are you less fallen than your neighbor?
deny the ability to sin
Who does that? Protestants know all men sin every day, as Paul told us. If you deny that, the truth is not in you.
Our difference is that I have been forgiven, according to Christ, whereas RCs must pay for their sins every day just as soon as they leave the confessional and sin again.
Read your Bible and learn what God's free, unmerited grace actually means.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
THANKS FOR YOUR PINGS OF YOUR LABORS
in the dreary threads.
Congrats yet again on how well put your assertions are . . . and more importantly . . . how Biblically sound.
You do not know that I have not been forgiven anymore than you know that you have for the sins you have yet to commit. We are only forgiven for the sins we have confessed and asked forgiveness for. Belief is not enough. Even Satan and the fallen angels believe that Jesus is the son of God, but they are not saved. It is what we do with that belief that matters. If you do not adhere to the first and second Greatest commandments your belief is for naught.
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. - 1 John 5:1-4
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. - James 2:14-26
Thank God for what’s good, and for the light unto our path, which shines clearer if and as we look to The Light, not the waves as good Peter once did.
The Westminster Confession of Faith states:
Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification; yet it is not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but works by love. [Westminster Confession of Faith, CHAPTER XI. Of Justification. http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/wcf.htm]
The classic Methodist commentator Adam Clarke held,
The Gospel proclaims liberty from the ceremonial law: but binds you still faster under the moral law. To be freed from the ceremonial law is the Gospel liberty; to pretend freedom from the moral law is Antinomianism.[Adam Clarke Commentary, Gal. 5:13]
Likewise on on Titus 1:16 ("They profess that they know God; but in works they deny, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." KJV):
Full of a pretended faith, while utterly destitute of those works by which a genuine faith is accredited and proved. [Adam Clarke Commentary, Titus 1]
To which the Presbyterian commentator Mathew Henry concurs: "There are many who in word and tongue profess to know God, and yet in their lives and conversations deny and reject him; their practice is a contradiction to their profession." [Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, Titus 1]
Contemporary evangelical theologian R. C. Sproul writes,
The relationship of faith and good works is one that may be distinguished but never separated...if good works do not follow from our profession of faith, it is a clear indication that we do not possess justifying faith. The Reformed formula is, “We are justified by faith alone but not by a faith that is alone.”[[“Essential Truths of the Christian Faith,” Google books]
Present day evangelical Calvinist Oxford theologian Alister McGrath points out, “It can be shown that a distinction came to be drawn between the concepts of merit and congruity; while man cannot be said to merit justification by any of his actions, his preparation for justification could be said to make his subsequent justification' congruous' or 'appropriate.'” “Iustitia Dei: A History of the Christian Doctrine of Justification,” vol. L; p. 110 http://www.equip.org/articles/justification
Also, rather than the easy believism Rome associates with sola fide, in Puritan Protestantism there was often a tendency to make the way to the cross too narrow, perhaps in reaction against the Antinomian controversy as described in an account (http://www.the-highway.com/Early_American_Bauckham.html) of Puritans during the early American period that notes,
“They had, like most preachers of the Gospel, a certain difficulty in determining what we might call the ‘conversion level’, the level of difficulty above which the preacher may be said to be erecting barriers to the Gospel and below which he may be said to be encouraging men to enter too easily into a mere delusion of salvation. Contemporary critics, however, agree that the New England pastors set the level high. Nathaniel Ward, who was step-son to Richard Rogers and a distinguished Puritan preacher himself, is recorded as responding to Thomas Hooker’s sermons on preparation for receiving Christ in conversion with, ‘Mr. Hooker, you make as good Christians before men are in Christ as ever they are after’, and wishing, ‘Would I were but as good a Christian now as you make men while they are preparing for Christ.’”
“In his Introduction to Romans, Luther stated that saving faith is,
a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn’t stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire! [http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/luther/luther-faith.txt]
This is what I have often said, if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit. If the tree is green and good, it will not cease to blossom forth in leaves and fruit. It does this by nature. I need not first command it and say: Look here, tree, bear apples. For if the tree is there and is good, the fruit will follow unbidden. If faith is present works must follow.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:340-341]
“We must therefore most certainly maintain that where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both.” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 246, footnote 99]
What Augustine says is indeed true: He who has created you without yourself will not save you without yourself. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation; for faith alone gives life. For the sake of hypocrites it should be said that good works are necessary for salvation. Works must be done, but it does not follow from this that works save… Works save externally, that is, they testify that we are just and that in a man there is that faith which saves him internally, as Paul says: ‘With the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation’.” [What Luther Says 3: 1509]. [Ewald M. Plass, “What Luther says,” page 1509]
“Thus faith casts itself on God, and breaks forth and becomes certain through its works. When this takes place a person becomes known to me and to other people. For when I thus break forth I spare neither man nor devil, I cast myself down, and will have nothing to do with lofty affairs, and will regard myself as the poorest sinner on earth. This assures me of my, faith. For this is what it says: "This man went down to his house justified." Thus we attribute salvation as the principal thing to faith, and works as the witnesses of faith. They make one so certain that he concludes from the outward life that the faith is genuine.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341]
“Thus, faith must be exercised, worked and polished; be purified by fire, like gold. Faith, the great gift and treasure from God, must express itself and triumph in the certainty that it is right before God and man, and before angels, devils and the whole world. Just as a jewel is not to be concealed, but to be worn in sight, so also, will and must faith be worn and exhibited, as it is written in 1 Peter 1, 7: "That the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire," etc.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2:245-246]
In those therefore in whom we cannot realize good works, we can immediately say and conclude: they heard of faith, but it did not sink into good soil. For if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341-342]
“All believers are like poor Lazarus; and every believer is a true Lazarus, for he is of the same faith, mind and will, as Lazarus. And whoever will not be a Lazarus, will surely have his portion with the rich glutton in the flames of hell. For we all must like Lazarus trust in God, surrender ourselves to him to work in us according to his own good pleasure, and be ready to serve all men. And although we all do not suffer from such sores and poverty, yet the same mind and will must be in us, that were in Lazarus, cheerfully to bear such things, wherever God wills it.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:25]
“This is why St. Luke and St. James have so much to say about works, so that one says: Yes, I will now believe, and then he goes and fabricates for himself a fictitious delusion, which hovers only on the lips as the foam on the water. No, no; faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit and wholly and completely converts him. It goes to the foundation and there accomplishes a renewal of the entire man; so, if I have previously seen a sinner, I now see in his changed conduct, manner and life, that he believes. So high and great a thing is faith.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341]
“Works are a certain sign, like a seal on a letter, which make me certain that my faith is genuine. [cf. 1Jn. 5:13] As a result if I examine my heart and find that my works are done in love, then I am certain that my faith is genuine. If I forgive, then my forgiving makes me certain that my faith is genuine and assures me and demonstrates my faith to me.” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 247, footnote 106]
“Hence the beginning of goodness or Godliness is not in us, but in the Word of God. God must first let his Word sound in our hearts by which we learn to know and to believe him, and afterwards do good works.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:339]
“When works follow it becomes apparent that we have faith…” [Martin Luther, as cited by Paul Althaus, The Theology of Martin Luther [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1963], 247, footnote 106
“..that alone can be called Christian faith, which believes without wavering that Christ is the Saviour not only to Peter and to the saints but also to you....Such a faith will work in you love for Christ and joy in him, and good works will naturally follow. If they do not, faith is surely not present: for where faith is, there the Holy Ghost is and must work love and good works.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 1:21-22]
More: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Reformation_faith_works.html
...And in so doing, works of faith justify one as having true faith, a confessional type faith, being a kind of faith that not only believes unto justification but will affirmatively confess, “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” (Romans 10:10) And baptism is a confession in body language, while as God sees the heart it is shown that regeneration can precede that. (Acts 10:43-47; 11:8; 15:5-9)
The Lord Jesus, though being God and the Messiah, was “justified in the Spirit,” (1Tim. 3:16), as “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him,” (Acts 10:38) and was risen by the same Spirit, thus establishing to His claim, and was also rewarded for His obedience. (Acts 10:36; Phi;l. 2:5-11; Heb. 1:9)
And true believers are also established as being so by their works done by the Spirit, and their enduring fruitful faith “hath great recompense of reward,” (Heb. 10:35) though all are worthy of eternal damnation.
This distinction escapes man unless his utter unworthiness is emphasized, as man’s natural predisposition is towards supposing he earns eternal life, at least to some degree, with some mercy thrown in, and he will use texts which speak of rewards for the “obedience of faith” in order to escape the abasement of himself as one damned for his sins and destitute of any merit whereby he may escape his just and eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire, and gain glory, and so cast all His faith upon the mercy of God in Christ to save him by God-given faith His sinless shed blood. And the more He grows (or in order to) the more will realize he cannot continue to follow the Lord except by prayerful dependance upon the grace of Christ and the power of God, to the decrease of himself. To the glory of God who justifies the unGodly by a faith that will effect Godliness.
Amen.
I can so easily relate to Mephibosheth when summoned before the King..."And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am?" (2 Samuel 9:8)
To contemplate somehow earning our eternal life,to think we could stand before The Creator and have anything good of ourselves to offer is akin to standing on the surface of the sun expecting to cast a shadow.
So true!
Also...
"And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go" (John 11:43,44)
When whosoever hears His voice,they are a new creation,they are raised from death unto life but we are still bound....then Jesus says to those round about "loose him and let him go"
Unwrap the graveclothes from him,help him to see,unbind him...let him go!
No doubt satan cannot thwart The voice of Jesus Christ but it's no stretch to think he would do ANYTHING to keep that believer bound! To convince that believer that he can stand on the sun and cast a shadow.
/rant
INDEED.
GREAT seeing you posting again.
LUB,
BLPH,
PERHAPS if y'all taped that to y'all's mirrors, and read it several times a day for 12 monts, SOME RC's could begin to see the applicability of that to the carefully cultivated and calculated institutionalized blindness so common in the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary Goddess cult.
Then again, from the evidence from so many hereon, I doubt even that would bring light to a large percentage.
INDEED.
Our eyes, hearts, lives, minds, spirits fixed ON JESUS is so crucial in this era . . . and increasingly so.
There’s nothing quite as
DEADLY to life . . . and to eternal life in Jesus
as RELIGION
. . . particularly DEAD, HYPOCRITICAL, HOLLOW, MAGISTERICAL, UNBIBLICAL, INSTUTIONALIZED, PHARISAICAL, POWER-MONGERINGLY LED, PONTIFICAL, WORKS-ORIENTED-SALVATION, STARCHY, PRISSY, FLESHLY, LAW-ORIENTED
. . .
RELIGION.
Good analogy as regards actual worthiness, and thus the second death is what we morally earn as sinners, whereas eternal life is the gift of God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yet again (as God is a God of balance, versus extremes on both sides) it must be said that "worthy" faith is that justifies the unGodly is a kind which characteristically manifest "things which accompany salvation," versus thorns and briers, (Heb. 6:8,9) thus some versus speak of believers being counted "worthy" by their fruit, (Rm. 2:13; Rv. 3:4), as fruit evidences faith, though not saved by them, (Titus 3:5; Eph. 2:8,9) and in His grace this faith hath great recompence of reward,(Heb. 10:35,36) as God rewards the faithful who are the light (small "l") of the world, who shall shine as the sun in the kingdom of their Father," (Mt. 13:43) though apart from justifying faith in Christ they are worthy of "outer darkness". (Mt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30)
For "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. " (Revelation 20:6)
To the glory of God, who draws souls, (Jn. 6:44; 12:32; opens hearts, (Acts 16:14), grants repentance, (Acts 11:18) and gives faith. (Eph. 2:8) enabling and moving man to chose to do what he could not and would not do, being dead in trespasses and sin, and by nature are children of wrath (Eph. 2:1) and which cannot be made subject to the law of God. (Rm. 8:7) And who must thus come to the living Christ as one damned and destitute, and be justified by faith in His blood. (Rm. 3:10-25)
“Ranting” on redemption more... And in a real sense believers come to Christ like the other Lazarus, (Lk. 16:19-33), abased, being are poor in spirit, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, counting their own righteousness as dung, but made accepted in the Beloved by faith-dependence on the Son sent by the Father to be the Savior of the world, who is “the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. “ (1 John 2:2)
“Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. “ (1 John 4:10-11)
“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice,
Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying,
Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. “ (Revelation 5:9-14)
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