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To My "Bible Only" Christian Brothers and Sisters, From A Catholic Convert [a humble vanity]

Posted on 03/11/2012 4:27:55 PM PDT by Heart-Rest

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To: Natural Law

Says you. I was baptized a Catholic and that’s what I am!


81 posted on 03/11/2012 6:13:44 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Persevero
"“Is it not written, “The Lord knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity”? To liken our thoughts to the great thoughts of God, would be a gross absurdity. Would you bring your candle to show the sun? Your nothingness to replenish the eternal all? It is better to be silent before the Lord, than to dream of supplementing what he has spoken. The Word of the Lord is to the conceptions of men as a garden to a wilderness. Keep within the covers of the sacred book, and you are in the land which floweth with milk and honey; why seek to add to it the desert sands?”"

Amen!

82 posted on 03/11/2012 6:14:47 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: what's up
The NT Scriptures were used and considered authoritative from the time they were written because they were penned by the Apostles or those close to them.

Interesting statement. Who penned the NT? Who was Matthew? Who was Jude? Who was Mark? Who was John, for that matter?

83 posted on 03/11/2012 6:15:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cvengr

LOL. Just not next to me please.


84 posted on 03/11/2012 6:18:08 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: Heart-Rest
Acts 17:11

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

2 Timothy 3:16

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

85 posted on 03/11/2012 6:20:28 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: jmacusa
"I was baptized a Catholic and that’s what I am!"

So were Martin Luther, Henry VIII and Jean Calvin. They too rejected the authority of the Pope. I do not reject your claim to believe what you choose or your reasons for doing so, only your choice to incorrectly brand it.

86 posted on 03/11/2012 6:20:37 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law
It should be noted that the Sacred Tradition sustained the Church throughout the period from the first Pentecost until the Canon was set. It was this Tradition, as expressed in the Creeds, that served as the standard

As I stated, the NT writings were in existence and considered authoritative in the first centuries because they were written by the Apostles or those close to them. The early fathers did not consider themselves or their traditions above the Apostles' writings.

87 posted on 03/11/2012 6:20:57 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Manic_Episode
Not to mention :

Matthew 23:9

9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

88 posted on 03/11/2012 6:23:06 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Heart-Rest
I went to Catholic grade school and high school. I taught CCD for years. When a priest questioned why my mom, sister and I had a bible, we told him we were reading it. He told us we should not and we can't understand it, only priest can. After many more things happening, we left the church.I am an Evangelical Christian who attends a church that teaches the word of God. My grandmother, who also left the church had a question maybe you can answer. I ask this with respect, because I do not want to see Catholics and Protestants divided.

Why does God love the rich more than the poor? They can afford to pay and have there loved one get out of purgatory sooner because they can have masses($) and novena's(%)said and candles lit ($) for their dead.

I use to have to knee before a statue of Mary, pray, sing and praise her.

Daily, Daily Sing to Mary
Daily, daily sing to Mary,
Sing, my soul, her praises due.
All her feasts, her actions worship
With the heart's devotion true.
Lost in wond’ring contemplation,
Be her Majesty confess’d.
Call her Mother, call her Virgin,
Happy Mother, Virgin blest.

She is mighty to deliver.
Call her, trust her lovingly.
When the tempest rages round thee,
She will calm the troubled sea.
Gifts of heaven she has given,
Noble Lady, to our race.
She, the Queen, who decks her subjects
With the light of God's own grace.

Sing, my tongue, the Virgin's trophies
Who for us her Maker bore.
For the curse of old inflicted,
Peace and blessing to restore.
Sing in songs of peace unending,
Sing the world's majestic Queen.
Weary not nor faint in telling.
All the gifts she gives to men.

Prayer
Consecration to Mother Mary

My Queen and my Mother, I give myself entirely to you; and to show my devotion to you, I consecrate to you this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my whole being without reserve. Therefore, good Mother, as I am your own, keep and guard me as your property and possession. Amen.

It seems like the Obama administration wants nothing more than to divide the Catholics and Protestants. We Protestants have your back with what obama is trying to force on the Catholic Church. We probably don't want to help him divide us. We each will stand before God and be judged. I'm relying completely on Jesus death on the cross, because I know my church, my works, and no other person will get me into heaven.

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through. John 14:6

89 posted on 03/11/2012 6:23:16 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Natural Law

So, I’ll need to reconcile this against what the Orthodox say, as there is great debate as to who is really responsible. I know you say I should believe you, and the Orothodox say I should believe them. Where do I begin my arduous study of the facts? Apparently, I must search through hundreds of years of documents to find the truth.

Not sure I have the access I need to these documents to do this. I think I’ll just follow the Bible and the Holy Spirit.

Take care.


90 posted on 03/11/2012 6:23:36 PM PDT by Country Gal
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To: MarkBsnr
Who penned the NT? Who was Matthew? Who was Jude? Who was Mark? Who was John, for that matter?

I'm sure you're trying to make a point here but I don't know what it is.

91 posted on 03/11/2012 6:23:47 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Natural Law
I would ask the "Bible Only" Christians to explain what the Epiousios, the fourth petition in the Lord's Prayer is, if not the Eucharist.

It is also a petition that God take care of our daily needs. To quote from the Lutheran Small Catechism: Give us this day our daily bread.
What does this mean?--Answer.
God gives daily bread, even without our prayer, to all wicked men; but we pray in this petition that He would lead us to know it, and to receive our daily bread with thanksgiving.
What is meant by daily bread?--Answer.
Everything that belongs to the support and wants of the body, such as meat, drink, clothing, shoes, house, homestead, field, cattle, money, goods, a pious spouse, pious children, pious servants, pious and faithful magistrates good government, good weather, peace, health, discipline, honor, good friends, faithful neighbors, and the like.

Of course, this can have more than one meaning. We need both our daily bodily needs and spiritual needs met, and only the Father can provide them. He has through the merits of His Son, Jesus Christ, and not our merits.

92 posted on 03/11/2012 6:24:06 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Persevero
I’d be interested in knowing what you think the role of the Bible is, then. Why did God have it written, preserving it so carefully, declaring it to be inspired and so on? Is it a list of guidelines? Some interesting history? A framework of suggestions for the Magisterium to improve upon? Or the Word of God? If it is the Word of God, then, no man including the Pope gets to add to it or cancel any out. If it’s not the Word of God, then, what is it?

I believe it is the written word of God. The Old Testament was written over many centuries, and for various reasons (giving the law, history, prophecy, prayers, etc.) It has always required designated interpreters, from Old Testament times forward.

The New Testament part of it was written over many decades after Jesus built his Church. In fact, it was written after he ascended into heaven, and it was written by his Church.

Jesus built his Church for a reason. Part of the reason was to write the New Testament (over time), part to interpret and apply it. (The Traditions of the Church started long before the New Testament was finished being written, reflecting precisely the way Jesus designed and built his Church.)

You can look at the Bible as a rule book. In football, if you had the current rule book, but no refs to interpret and apply the rules in the rule book, you would end up with complete chaos on the field.

In the religious world, if you remove the refs (the Church) you will end up with chaos, like the 34,000-plus denominations we now have, all seeing the "rule book" quite differently.

Fortunately, the refs Jesus picked (his Church) are not as bad at interpreting and applying the rule book as football refs often are, because, as Jesus promised, the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church (singular) that he built.


93 posted on 03/11/2012 6:24:11 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: Manic_Episode
"Acts 17:11"

Jesus was predicted over 450 times in the Old Testament. The Berean Jews in Thessalonica searched the Septuagint to prove to themselves that Jesus was the Messiah that was prophesied. They were not searching writings that had not been written, circulated, or found to be inerrant.

94 posted on 03/11/2012 6:26:07 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Heart-Rest

Well, I had a priest inform me that I was damned to hell because I wouldn’t pray to Mary. He told me that my refusal to pray to Mary meant that my prayers wouldn’t be answered, and that God had a very strict “Like me, like my friends” policy, and that if I did not pray to Mary, God would ignore me and banish me from heaven. Also he tried to tell me that Mary was the only person born without original sin, and that nothing in the Old testament happened.
That said, I am not anti-Catholic, but I am anti people who claim to be good Catholics but support people who arer all for partial-birth aborions. Actually I’m anti people who support Partial birth abortions period, but I digress.
What offends me the most about your post was that it seems to say that unless you are Catholic, you are anti-Catholic, and that is simply not true.


95 posted on 03/11/2012 6:27:08 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Heart-Rest

HR,
As I wrote, I’m happy for you. I have nothing against Catholics and wish you the best. I’m thankful for the foundation of faith laid in my early life by the Catholic church. It wasn’t the whole Gospel of Grace, but most else was there.


96 posted on 03/11/2012 6:27:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: what's up
"As I stated, the NT writings were in existence and considered authoritative in the first centuries because they were written by the Apostles or those close to them."

Considered authoritative by who and how were the very real disagreements resolved?

97 posted on 03/11/2012 6:28:11 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Heart-Rest
Godspeed, champ. I admire your effort. I wouldn't waste my time on them, myself. I remember how completely blind I was when I was away from the Church, including 20 years wasted as a bible thumping, tongue-talking born again Christian. It was hopeless apart from the miracle.

I see where one of your antagonists has even said, "I found Jesus outside the church.". Silly. Like a dairy farmer going to 7-11 to buy a gallon of milk.

98 posted on 03/11/2012 6:30:48 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (There is life after FR.)
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To: Natural Law

They were considered by the early church as being authoritative i.e. they were to submit to the writings of the Apostles as well as the OT.


99 posted on 03/11/2012 6:31:07 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Heart-Rest

Heart-Rest — Good testimony. I believe that there are two books that should be included in the Bible that were both “contenders” at the various Councils but lost out in the final selection.

One is the Didache http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html And this Epistle of Branabas http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/barnabas.html There are coorelations of multipe verses of the Didache and this Espistle of Baranbas. I consider all other “Barnabas” gospels and espistles as gnostic in origin and thus worth ignoring (except under the cavaet ‘know your enemy’)

And Barnabas did accompany Paul on several journeys.

another much referred examination of the Didache is at: http://www.bswett.com/1998-01Didache.html


100 posted on 03/11/2012 6:31:07 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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