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Not Your Grandfather's Southern Baptist [SBC poised to elect first black president]
Wall Street Journal ^ | NAOMI SCHAEFER RILEY

Posted on 03/02/2012 3:03:58 PM PST by rhema

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1 posted on 03/02/2012 3:04:06 PM PST by rhema
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I don’t know anything about him. Is he conservative?


2 posted on 03/02/2012 3:27:59 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: rhema

It’s not MY Baptist church anymore either. And it has nothing to do with race. It’s the wimpiness I’m sick of.


3 posted on 03/02/2012 3:29:00 PM PST by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin)
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To: dragonblustar
Nor do I, but the article gives some hopeful indications:

Mr. Luter says he does not preach much about politics, though he does inveigh regularly against abortion and gay marriage. How his voice will play in national politics is an interesting question.

It seems unlikely that he'll be heeding President Obama's recent call to black church leaders to organize on his behalf. And the SBC has been clear in its opposition to what it sees as the president's recent infringements on religious liberty. In a year when liberals will be leveling the charge of racism against opponents of the president's policies, we can look forward to seeing their reaction to Fred Luter Jr.

4 posted on 03/02/2012 3:30:45 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Terry Mross

See post 3; this guy doesn’t seem to be a shrinking violet when it comes to denouncing cultural evils.

If you want real wimpiness, I suggest the ELCA and the Episcopalians.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 3:33:50 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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I like Charles Stanley. I wonder if Fred is anything like him?


6 posted on 03/02/2012 3:37:48 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: rhema

the headline, it’s need to exist and the fact it does insults me...This is religion...blind to color. This man qualifies or he does not.


7 posted on 03/02/2012 3:39:52 PM PST by advertising guy ( the greatest threat to America is a Rino Senator in Congress)
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To: Terry Mross
Make that post 4.

This also from his church's web page: Pastor Luter wants the congregation to remember Franklin Avenue is not in competition with other churches. He wants members to "continue to stay focused on what God has called us to do as a church." That calling is embodied in the church mission statement: to spiritually impact our families, neighborhoods, city and state by exalting the Savior, equipping the saints and evangelizing the sinners."

Most mainline denominations get a case of the vapors when they hear phrases like "evangelizing the sinners."

8 posted on 03/02/2012 3:40:38 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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Just please tell me he’s not anything like Obama. I can’t take another first black whatever if they’re anything like that monster.


9 posted on 03/02/2012 3:41:01 PM PST by Marathoner (In the 80s we had Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have Obama, no cash and no hope.)
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To: Terry Mross; dixiechick2000; don-o

My church in Thompsons Station is not wimpy but the leadership about 40 miles up Highway 31 in Music City sure as Hades is

it is sickening

I mean where do we go?

Southern style Church of Christ seem steadfast

Mo Synod..maybe

or most Assemblies of God...or Missionary Baptist

the fact they even considered dropping Southern from the name is a vile vile attempt...I spit on them

my old preacher in Jackson MS...Joe Tuten..long deceased would be appalled

I could care less about the black guy except it is without question a PR stunt...fools

Blacks already have National Baptist Convention also in Nashville and seem quite content with it


10 posted on 03/02/2012 3:53:29 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Terry Mross

Wimpy compared to what?

How do you get more conservative than Southern Baptists?


11 posted on 03/02/2012 4:00:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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If he, as the article states, “inveighs regularly against abortion and gay marriage,” he’s already light years from Obama in several moral aspects.


12 posted on 03/02/2012 4:06:38 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: wardaddy

The leadership do not elect the officers, the messengers do.

I do not believe that this a PR stunt. This guy seems solid to me.


13 posted on 03/02/2012 4:09:45 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: wardaddy
Your attitude is despicable. Spitting on people and wishing people Hell. What a great witness for Jesus!
14 posted on 03/02/2012 4:26:12 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Not questioning him..he could be great

but why a black guy?...and why right now

to make a point...as usual...just like taking “Southern” from the name...the SBC leadership has been overrun with race sensitive under 45 folks...this has been brewing a while

how many SBC black preachers are there...not many...they choose other denominations..all day church..lotsa singing and louder....more podium Swaggerting..fine...enjoy it and stay there

it’s like NASCAR...why change something blacks ain’t drawn to...why force it

when the SBC gets all PC...you know it’s over

I am not the least bit ashamed to be Southern...if that is a n issue for anyone... Mohler in particular..or any other SBC big wig

they can kiss my butt

what they really want to do eventually is take Baptist out too

more members...more power...that’s what they really want

and they hide this lust claiming they can save more souls that way...disgusting

there is a reason I go to church less than my wife


15 posted on 03/02/2012 4:31:30 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: rhema
For the edification of those who may not know.

The Southern Baptist Convention is not a governing authority nor are individuals members of the S.B.C.. Individual churches may affiliate and become members of the S.B.C. and individual churches are autonomous.

I don't know much about the guy in the article but I will learn more. I'd venture a guess that he's not liberal though. If he ever started spouting liberalism, member churches would disaffiliate in droves

16 posted on 03/02/2012 5:00:19 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

The leadership engineers the process. The messengers hardly know what is going on or who they are voting for.

Whatever Luter is, he is wanted for the symbolism and because he won’t rock the boat. The current leadership is betraying the rank and file in many ways (this is not a comment on Luter).


17 posted on 03/02/2012 5:09:36 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

In most such organizations the main concern of the “leadership” is the funding so that they can continue to be “leaders” even if they are clueless about their “leadership.”


18 posted on 03/02/2012 5:16:00 PM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, less baggage, articulate, passionate)
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To: rhema
Most mainline denominations get a case of the vapors when they hear phrases like "evangelizing the sinners."

If you are talking about the liberal "churches" they think their calling includes equipping the sinners and evangelizing the saints."

19 posted on 03/02/2012 5:17:46 PM PST by magslinger (If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
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To: Theodore R.

Absolutely correct in the case of the SBC - it is funding and maintaining phony membership numbers so they get to appear important...


20 posted on 03/02/2012 5:19:37 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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