Posted on 01/18/2012 3:19:15 PM PST by NYer
Well, again, that’s where you are wrong.
We don’t know and the Church does not officially teach on where or when or who may have witnessed Mary’s death.
There is a story regarding it, which the Church has not declared as absolute truth.
****The assumption of Mary also contradicts the scripture of the first and second resurrection accounts.****
No, it does not, for when Jesus was questioned about John, what did He say?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
.23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
If Jesus wills that His mother be with Him in heaven, what is that to thee?
Cynical bear's observation was 100% spot on. Literal one verse, allegorical/spiritual the next, all depending on which doctrine Catholics are trying to support. It's inconsistent, and disingenuous, and intellectually dishonest.
The whole passage or discourse should be interpreted in the same manner. If it can't be then it needs to be interpreted differently. Since the discourse in John 6 makes no sense, cannot be interpreted literally for the whole thing, then it must be interpreted differently, which does make sense and make it internally consistent with the rest of Scripture.
So when Jesus says you have to eat His flesh and blood to have life in you and that when you eat you will never die or never hunger or thirst again, it's more than hypocritical to take the eating flesh and blood literally but not the living forever and never being hungry or thirsty.
Thanks, MM, and you look just darling in your umpire outfit.
:)
thus sayeth the prophet presently no screen name.
So it is written so shall it be.
Is it allowed under the general rules of FR engagement that an umpire make a friendly wager?
It's vain to make something that isn't - to something you want it to be for an agenda. Here, Jesus says it better....
Mark 7:6 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as It Is Written: "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
So the whole thing is made up of myth. Good grief.
>>If Jesus wills that His mother be with Him in heaven, what is that to thee?<<
Because it contradicts scripture.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Mary was not the first resurrection.
So, if the Bible clearly says that two people were taken up to heaven, it does not contradict Scripture to believe that God also took up Mary.
Catholics add nothing to God’s Word, which is Jesus.
It is protestants who limit God’s Word to what they can or can’t believe He will or can do.
Then we’ll just rightly conclude that the assertions are baseless.
No evidence to support them = baseless accusations or assertions.
Care to wager on that?
****Mary was not the first resurrection.****
That’s true, Jesus raised up Lazarus and Jairus’ daughter.
Empty rhetoric and accusation is often what we get.
Actually, only a carnal people would think such and that is what Augustine says.
One must first believe and then know.
So, those who believed Jesus is the Son of God, then knew that what He said is true, whether they could understand it or not.
If one does not understand the union of the carnal and the spiritual, it is because one does not believe that Jesus could give us His flesh to eat and His blood to drink.
I recall twice “refreshing” your memory.
Care to wager I can do it again?
You claimed you can tell who is saved and not, going to Heaven or hell.
What’s the stakes?
I’ll even let you lay off some of your bet on metmom...
Well, it’s been interesting.
Good night and God bless.
They were also seen alive and died later. I do so hope you understand the difference of the resurrection to eternal life and being raised from the dead like Jesus did on multiple occasions.
G’night, Jvette, thanks for your posts.
God bless you and yours...
Your credibility.
Yeah, your’s is already lost. :)
I’m tired of doing this, you say something, then deny it. It takes time and effort to go back and grab the thread and quotes.
If you’re not sure, back out. If you are sure you didn’t claim to be able to tell who is saved and who isn’t, then it just costs you the time to make a wager, while I have to do the work.
How about; A bold “mea culpa, mea maxima culpa” and one week off the threads?
Same wager for you metmom.
I'm afraid the childish babblers are those who prefer to pretend they please God by their own merits and to present to him their "home made" mud pies of their works of righteousness when only the perfection of Christ, himself, can open the door to salvation and eternal life.
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