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Pope says uniting Christianity requires conversion
cna ^ | January 18, 2012 | David Kerr

Posted on 01/18/2012 3:19:15 PM PST by NYer

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To: presently no screen name
Typical catholic answer

Actually I was following your lead in your reply to my post. I thought you wanted to trade non sequiturs. No?

1,181 posted on 01/31/2012 6:07:10 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
But as your previous post indicated, there are various forms of dispensationalism. I believe you referred to them as "various sects". Meaning various beliefs. Any criticizing of your "Church" comes from Bible Scriptures, or lack of, in the case of RCC. You know, comparing Scripture with Scripture, rightly dividing the Word of truth, searching the Scriptures daily to see if those things that the Roman Catholic Church alleges are so.

The Catholic Church's problem with Christianity stem from the Bible, not denominations.

1,182 posted on 01/31/2012 6:13:03 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: D-fendr

Your first mistake is implying I think like you and then trying to spin that you actually thought that. Manipulation to deceive is from the pit.

Don’t mess w/someone who has wisdom and discernment - save it for catholics who are without the Spirit.


1,183 posted on 01/31/2012 6:16:57 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: smvoice

Sects, denominations, whatever you wish to call them, they exist. Since they disagree too, I guess their argument is with the Bible as well.

So, anyway, not answering whether you agree or not?


1,184 posted on 01/31/2012 6:18:30 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: presently no screen name
Ah, you do wish to exchange non sequiturs as I thought.

I'm tired of it though. I think your last one would make a great bumper sticker:

Don’t Mess With Someone Who Has Wisdom and Discernment.

And Humility too!


1,185 posted on 01/31/2012 6:24:48 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

To be ‘in Christ’ is being humble.

Something those without the Spirit will never understand. Save your ‘man’ pictures, as they only impress catholics.


1,186 posted on 01/31/2012 6:30:38 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Humble is not the word that comes to mind when reading your posts.

Entertaining is one that does however.

thank you.


1,187 posted on 01/31/2012 6:40:21 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice

The 4 Gospels are also tied to the 4 living creatures of Ezekiel and Revelation.

4 is also known as the number of creation. 4 seasons, 4 main compass points, 4 natural states of matter, 4 forces, 4 dimensions, 4 double-bonds in a carbon molecule which is element number 6. 6 is the Biblical number of ‘flesh’ or ‘man’. All life is carbon-based (element #6) which has 4 bonds pointing to the created origin of life (or flesh).


1,188 posted on 01/31/2012 6:41:21 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Absolutely. The four faces of the Cherubim. Matt.:Lion. Mark: Ox. Luke: Man. John: Eagle.

Also, Exodus 26:31-32. The Four Pillars on which the Cherubim-embroidered veil hung. The four pillars display the beautiful veil. The four Gospels display the perfection of God the Son tabernacled among men.

And how Rev. 4:6,7 authenticates the ORDER of the Four Gospel accounts. Everything in God's Word is there, and in His perfect order.

1,189 posted on 01/31/2012 6:53:14 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: D-fendr
Humble is not the word that comes to mind when reading your posts.

It shouldn't because it can't. When one is without the Spirit, there are many things you don't get as your posts indicate.

Entertaining is one that does however.

Don't be hard on yourself - you can't understand what you aren't equipped to understand.

1 Cor 2:14 "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

1 Cor 12:7-11
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,

9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,

10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and He distributes them to each one, just as He determines.

1,190 posted on 01/31/2012 7:55:53 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

I understand you just fine. I don’t equate you with God, and I think this might differentiate the way I see your posts from the way you see them.

Still, I appreciate their entertainment value.

thanks again.


1,191 posted on 01/31/2012 8:50:22 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: presently no screen name

You are speaking as God or the Spirit aren’t you?


1,192 posted on 01/31/2012 8:53:34 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

If your thoughts turn towards God when reading the scriptures I posted, that’s the Spirit of God calling you to Him. I don’t have the power to do that.


1,193 posted on 01/31/2012 9:07:45 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Hard as it may be for you to believe, I have Holy Scriptures, and I read them. I really don’t need you to post verses to me, particularly in the haughty manner that is your online persona.

Your power for me here, is to entertain.

thanks again.


1,194 posted on 01/31/2012 9:15:05 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear
It’s interesting to watch the trend of Catholics constantly giving the credit for scripture to the RCC and non Catholics giving credit to God for inspiring and preserving the scriptures. Rather telling if you ask me.

It's telling me that if they can get people to believe it all came from them, then they have all the authority in the world to "edit" it, in addition to making it say whatever they want it to say. Whereas, if God is really who gave it to us, then he is who has the authority, not them, and his Holy Spirit does his job to illuminate God's truth from those Scriptures to all those who have surrendered themselves to his perfect will. I found this great article that addresses this point. It's called "Just Trust us on this one...wink, wink".

1,195 posted on 01/31/2012 11:04:16 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: MarkBsnr
I notice that you have spurned the various KJV Bibles in your efforts.

I do believe your challenge to me was "show me where any translation says it like that, I'll bet you can't". I showed you a few that used the word "pillar and buttress". So what that the KJV uses a different word, it still means the same thing and the "church" is not called the "basis" of the truth as you stated. I met your challenge. What? No gold star? ;o)

1,196 posted on 01/31/2012 11:11:59 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: D-fendr
I have Holy Scriptures, and I read them.

If you are referring to God's Word, without the Spirit you can understand them as your posts show.

in the haughty manner that is your online persona.

I'm a spirit filled child of The Most High God. Beggars are envious and will ridicule what they don't have to feel better.

Enjoy your entertainment, the Vatican/RCC has plenty more for you that you can't imagine. And then you will see haughtiness and I don't mean the haughtiness of extending the hand for the ring to be kissed - although that has prepared their subjects of what's to come.

1,197 posted on 01/31/2012 11:39:28 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ...
It's telling me that if they can get people to believe it all came from them, then they have all the authority in the world to "edit" it, in addition to making it say whatever they want it to say.

Or even more importantly, not just editing it and claiming the sole right to interpret it, but ADDING to it. If they claim authorship, then they can claim the authority to add to it any extra-Biblical teachings and declare it of equal authority and inspiration as Scripture.

That's what is so insidious about their claim of authorship of Scripture and claims of being responsible for its existence.

1,198 posted on 02/01/2012 6:42:14 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: presently no screen name

Seems to me the only ‘spirit’ you’ve exhibited here is one of anger and strong need to attack Christ’s Church - with more than a little holier than thou thrown in as usual.

Empty jabs, swinging at air, weak imitations of a puffer fish. It is mere entertainment, like watching an internet temper tantrum.

Like this one, each time you start a discussion with me, your content is the same: nonsense and pompous insults.

While I enjoy the break from actual discussion, I have to wonder: How is this working for you?


1,199 posted on 02/01/2012 7:54:05 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom

By adding to it and changing what in essence they are saying is the same old question - Did God really say ?


1,200 posted on 02/01/2012 9:06:17 AM PST by Lera
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