Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
***And how could Jesus ‘succour’ anyone had he not experienced temptation and defeated it???***
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
He came to open for us the gates of heaven and to show us the way of redemption.
Honestly, you are saying that Jesus was tempted to sin?
Romans 6:10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
When Jesus died, HE said *It is finished*. If the sacrifice wasn't finished but was still ongoing, then He lied.
But since Jesus doesn't and can't lie, then it IS finished and not ongoing.
ooopsie....
Isn’t that some kind of mortal or venial sin?
CB: Go smash that crucifix you have in your house or the statue of Mary. I dare you.
incoming......
***Corruptibility in most Bible passages refers to biological rot or breakdown.***
And why is it that humanity was subjected to this biological rot or breakdown?
I’ll make it simple for you, it starts with a s, ends in a n and has an i in the middle.
Can you say SIN? Sure, I knew you could.
So, when one posts the passage from Paul regarding the fact that one must put on incorruptibility and that nothing corrupt can inherit heaven in regards to Jesus, then one is saying that Jesus is subject to sin. Heresy
Paul was speaking about to US, about US and about putting on the incorruptibility of Christ, who KNEW NO SIN.
Beautiful, thank you.
That puts you at odds with a lot of Catholics.
“Let it be done to me according to Thy will.”
That is a “yes” to what the angel told her.
Try to read my post and answer the question.
Would God have forced Mary to bear Jesus had she said no?
The physical sacrifice was ended, the fruits of it are eternal. It is not that the sacrifice is ongoing, but that it’s effect is eternal.
Temptation to sin is not sin. It's simply temptation. When we refuse to yield to the temptation, we have achieved victory over it and not sinned.
It is sin only when we yield and engage.
If someone doesn't believe that Jesus was tempted, then Scripture lied.
Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
So....YOPIOS is alive and well in the Catholic church.
I would LOVE to see a site that spells which verses they must submit to and which are open to their own interpretation.
Can’t be that difficult as a simple search on the Vatican website “Prayers to Mary” took 5 seconds.
Yes, I’m confused!!
***Temptation to sin is not sin. It’s simply temptation. When we refuse to yield to the temptation, we have achieved victory over it and not sinned.
It is sin only when we yield and engage.***
Agreed and if you read my post, you will see that I did indeed say that Jesus was tempted, but that He had no urge or inclination to sin.
***Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.***
Yet without sin. Jesus can sympathize with our weaknesses, but He has no part in our falling into temptation, i.e. sinning.
That's not what the RCC teaches.
That's the whole rationale of the mass, participating in the continuing, ongoing sacrifice of Christ.
In a nutshell....
A Catholic must believe that Jesus is God, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. Any interpretation of Scripture that says otherwise, we are to reject.
A Catholic must believe that Jesus was born of a virgin. Any interpretation of Scripture that says otherwise is to be rejected.
A Catholic must believe that Jesus was without sin. Any interpretation of Scripture that says otherwise is to be rejected.
A Catholic must believe that Jesus is Truly Present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity in the Eucharist. Any interpretation of Scripture which says otherwise is to be rejected.
A Catholic must believe that Jesus died on the cross, was buried and rose on the third day. Any interpretation of Scripture that says otherwise is to be rejected.
A Catholic must believe that Jesus ascended bodily into heaven. Any interpretation of Scripture that says otherwise is to be rejected.
A Catholic must believe that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to guide His Apostles and His Church to all Truth. Any interpretation of Scripture that says otherwise is to be rejected.
These are all explicitly or implicitly found in Scripture which the Church has proclaimed and protected since the beginning.
Thus the continuous sacrifice of the crucifix vs the empty cross.
Nope. People can do as they please. I will however keep warning people and pointing out what scripture says.
The Mass does not continue the Sacrifice on the Cross. Rather it makes that Perfect Sacrifice present to those who have lived after the once for all Sacrifice of the Cross. That is why it is called the unbloody sacrifice.
If one is going to try to speak for what is taught by the Church, at least try to read about and understand it before doing so.
The full theology of the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Eucharist is lengthy and easily found. To try to confine it to a few words is impossible and I do not like to cut and paste.
Let it just be said that your understanding of it is lacking.
Catholics can’t even get that right.
Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
I'm already in the church Jesus established.
***He would not have been able to be the perfect sacrifice for man.***
What made Him the “perfect sacrifice”?
I never said He was not truly man and I am dumbfounded by the attempt to once again, twist the argument and deflect from the heresies proposed here by Protestants.
Man does not sin by being tempted, man sins by succumbing to temptation. Christ never succumbed to temptation.
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