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What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

[metmom]

Sola Scriptura is a tradition. What is in your Bible is a Tradition.

Nope.

Scripture is God breathed words from God.

Of course, anyone not accepting that will never recognize the absolute and final authority of Scripture above all else.

[metmom]

Appealing to Catholic tradition to support Catholic tradition is like pulling themselves up by their boot straps.

Only an outside authority can confer authority to someone or something else. Nobody gets it by self-declaring it.

[metmom]

"...keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you."

"...stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle."

*Traditions* specifically passed on by Paul.

And those were? How do you know? From what source did they come and how can you be sure that they were faithfully and accurately passed on?

And where does it say in those verse that tradition is of equal authority and standing with Scripture? Or that Scripture should be interpreted in context or light of said tradition?

[CynicalBear]

>> "...stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle."<<

Oh how Catholics love to use that verse to try to say that “by word” is somehow a different teaching than “by our epistle”. If I read the Bible to someone who is illiterate they have received the epistle by word. If I tell someone verbatim what the Bible says they have heard it by word. The subtle deceit of Satan is truly heinous.

[Al Hitan]

Nope.

Yep.

Scripture is God breathed words from God.

As is taught through the Tradition of the Church.

Of course, anyone not accepting that will never recognize the absolute and final authority of Scripture above all else.

As is believed by those whose own personal interpretation of Scripture is the same as God's word.

[Al Hitan]

Only an outside authority can confer authority to someone or something else.

And those listening to a spirit in their head as their outside authority think their own personal interpretation of Scripture is the same as God's word.

[Al Hitan]

And where does it say in those verse

And we're right back to the man-made tradition of Sola Scriptura.

[metmom]

I have yet to have ONE Catholic take me up on the request to show what traditions of Paul’s he was referring to when he told them to hold fast to the traditions he passed on to them, how they know what those traditions were, and how they could verify that it was passed down unchanged from Paul.

They have never provided sources for that information.

All I get is *crickets*......

[metmom]

As is taught through the Tradition of the Church.

As stated in Scripture. It's not an oral tradition.

[Al Hitan]

Oh how Catholics love to use that verse to try to say that “by word” is somehow a different teaching than “by our epistle”.

Oh how non-Catholics love to use that verse to try to say that “by word” means “by our epistle”.

[Al Hitan]

As stated in Scripture. It's not an oral tradition.

It was an oral Tradition until the Church wrote it down.

[metmom]

Romans 8:9-17 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

[metmom]

It was an oral Tradition until the Church wrote it down.

Prove it.

[Al Hitan]

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Don't confuse a spirit with the Spirit.

[CynicalBear]

>>I have yet to have ONE Catholic take me up on the request to show what traditions of Paul’s he was referring to when he told them to hold fast to the traditions he passed on to them, how they know what those traditions were, and how they could verify that it was passed down unchanged from Paul.<<

Anything not found written in scripture must be attributed to hearsay or myth. Placing one’s eternal future on either is deadly.

[metmom]

I’m not.

I can tell the difference.

[CynicalBear]

Relying on the RCC for the truth of scripture is like relying on progressives for the truth of history.

[Al Hitan]

Prove it.

It's documented in the early Church councils. These are the earliest occurrences where all the books of the New Testament are declared as Scripture, i.e. God's word. Do you have documentation to the contrary? It's certainly not within Scripture itself.

[Al Hitan]

Relying on the RCC for the truth of scripture is like relying on progressives for the truth of history.

Royal Crown Cola isn't something I bother with.

[Al Hitan]

I can tell the difference.

So, the spirit that tells you what you want to believe is the right one?