Eusebius's Ecclesiastical History Volume 4 (2nd Century) (Ecumenical)

New Advent ^ | Eusebius of Caesarea

[marron]

Thanks for posting.

[johngrace]

Some references!

[ejonesie22]

Funny, born Disciples of Christ raised Methodist later, I read Eusebius whilst going through Orthodox Catechism with no ill effect. Even returning to the Methodist Church years later (for family reason) and still occasionally enjoying the Divine Liturgy at the local Orthodox Church, I have yet to burst into flames or drop to the floor paralyzed...

Maybe my bad knees are an ill effect...

Hum...

[raygunfan]

a pure roman catholic historical rundown of the time.....didnt notice any ‘protestant’ theology or historical notations that pointed away from rome, etc....

wonder why.....????

[cloudmountain]

Funny, born Disciples of Christ raised Methodist later, I read Eusebius whilst going through Orthodox Catechism with no ill effect. Even returning to the Methodist Church years later (for family reason) and still occasionally enjoying the Divine Liturgy at the local Orthodox Church, I have yet to burst into flames or drop to the floor paralyzed...
Maybe my bad knees are an ill effect...
Hum...

The "burst into flames" might happen with a bikini shot of which beauty??? or...a bikini shot of Michelle or Hillary? Heeheehee

[ejonesie22]

No flames on those but my eyes would need a red hot poker to kill the image...

[cloudmountain]

Reading Eusebius is dangerous for any cradle Protestant.

I read Eusebius' book about the Early History of the Church and found it MOST enlightening. I was APPALLED at the Josephus account of the year-long events inside Jerusalem. I hadn't known about that.

Steve Ray was a cradle Protestant and a Baptist minister. He and his wife "read" their way into the Catholic Church, as he writes in Crossing The Tiber. They began the reading to learn more how to get Catholics AWAY from the Catholic Church. After YEARS of reading and reading, going farther back to the Church Fathers, they finally reached the soul-searing decision--they were "already" Catholics after all that reading.

Maybe THAT'S what you mean by "dangerous." I don't know you very well, okay, not at all, but I'm fairly certain that you really didn't mean to offend our Protestant friends.

I'm a cradle Catholic, who, thanks to the Holy Spirit, has learned so much about her faith in the last five years. What a journey! Thanks to the Holy Spirit, EWTN and Catholic Radio. What a blessing they have been.

[cloudmountain]

No flames on those but my eyes would need a red hot poker to kill the image...

Hahaha.
Thanks. Nice to have a chuckle on a Monday morning.

[rzman21]

I was being facetious because reading Eusebius sealed the error of the Protestant claim to have “restored” the early Church in my mind.

Eusebius showed me that what I had been taught was untrue.

[cloudmountain]

I was being facetious because reading Eusebius sealed the error of the Protestant claim to have “restored” the early Church in my mind.
Eusebius showed me that what I had been taught was untrue.

SOMEHOW, I think that your facetiousness wasn't figured out.
Ya think? :o)

So, your background WAS Protestant? The Protestants I knew (girls) weren't very spiritual. In fact, most people I seem to know, of whatever faith, aren't particularly spiritual...unless it's about food.

[rzman21]

Lutheran/Methodist to be exact. It started when I was playing the Protestant debating my Rad Trad Catholic friend.

I decided to see who was right rather than trying to disprove the Catholic faith. As they say, you can’t disprove a negative.

I’m the only Catholic in my entire family.

[cloudmountain]

Lutheran/Methodist to be exact. It started when I was playing the Protestant debating my Rad Trad Catholic friend.
I decided to see who was right rather than trying to disprove the Catholic faith. As they say, you can’t disprove a negative.
I’m the only Catholic in my entire family.

The transition must have been...um, painful to all.
And being the only Catholic, well,Christian holidays must have been trying at first.
I'm sure everyone has adjusted and you are now merely the odd ball, black sheep, gone rogue, crossed the Tiber and so on.
Especially the "so on." Those little crackers at communion are the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus? :o)

Must read: Crossing The Tiber by Steve Ray.

[rzman21]

It took about a decade for them to adjust. I went East after college, which made them even more uncomfortable because they didn’t understand.

They remain strongly anti-Catholic, but we don’t discuss religion anymore.

[Engraved-on-His-hands]

Reading Eusebius is dangerous for any cradle Protestant.

I, at one time, taught ancient church history in college. I could be coarse and say that reading the New Testament is dangerous for any Roman Catholic, but I won't say that. :-)

Early Christian doctrine and practice is quite different from later Roman Catholic doctrine and practice. The evolution of church government from the first through the seventh century is especially illustrative.

[rzman21]

Early Christian doctrine and practice is quite different from later Roman Catholic doctrine and practice.
>>Such as?

[Engraved-on-His-hands]

Very many things. The Roman Catholic church justifies this by relying on the authority of the church instead of relying on the sole authority of scripture. (Check the Council of Trent for a clear affirmation of this.)

I mentioned church government. In the New Testament, there were only two permanent, official church offices: elder (also known as bishop) and deacon. Even the Roman Catholic church admits this. For example, quoting from a Catholic Encyclopedia:

“The divine institution of the threefold hierarchy cannot of course, be derived from our text; in fact it cannot in any way be proved directly from the New Testament; it is a Catholic dogma by virtue of the dogmatic tradition, i.e. in a later period of ecclesiastical history the general belief in the divine institution of the episcopate, presbyteriate, and diaconate can be verified and thence be followed on through the later centuries. But the dogmatic truth cannot be traced back to Christ Himself by analysis of strict historical testimony.”