Posted on 12/26/2011 6:08:22 PM PST by rzman21
“LOL! I can just imagine you trying to tell Christ that at the moment of your death.”
I’m looking forward to it since nowhere in the Bible does God say the church I attend is pertinent to salvation. Only that I am responsible for ensuring it is biblical.
One Body, many members.
Honestly I’m not into history based on false teachings.
no, but i have heard many Baptist preachers on the radio to have a pretty good understanding of what they believe. but even Baptists don’t agree on doctrine, you have some who believe in the 5 points of Calvinism and some who are Armenien.
why do you ask?
No, but humans are. And Mary is human; always was and always will be. She was the loving wife of her husband Joseph, bearing many children to him after her FIRST born. She was humble enough to know she was in need of a Savior, being a sinner in the present. She died, like all the saints, and is in the presence of the Lord spiritually, awaiting the resurrection of her body in due time, like all the other saints.
While I am fairly Protestant, your quotations make me ask: Since when is the Bible a person in the Trinity? And since when does Logos equal Bible?
Because you are throwing stones from a glass house.
Most Baptists I’ve met agree that salvation is through Jesus Christ. I don’t expect anything created by man to be perfect.
re: “I intended to start a reasoned dialogue over this important issue, not start a thread war.
Catholics inevitably face polemics whenever they get into discussions with Protestants on these threads. But let’s be civil.
We get tarred as pagans, idolaters, etc. People need to think about what they believe and why they believe them. That includes myself.”
I have no doubt that your intentions were for the best, but as you can see, people have been pretty nasty in their remarks to each other. It shouldn’t be that way, it doesn’t have to be that way, but that’s usually what happens.
I have a close friend who is Calvinist and we got into a very heated debate/argument over it. To the point that our friendship almost ended. We just had to let it go and agree to disagree over it. We never bring it up. I have no doubt about my friends love for God and he feels the same about me. We both know that we are Christian brothers by our faith in Jesus Christ.
It’s just one of those things that no matter how we argue it, we all usually come to a position on these kinds of issues and the chances are pretty unlikely that we will change them - except through personal study and research on our own and with others we respect.
The problem with these kinds of issues on an open forum is that everyone thinks they are an expert. They’ve read a book somewhere or their favorite priest/pastor believes a certain way and nothing is going to move them from their view (at least on something like this). They assume everyone else is an idiot and that only they know what they are talking about. Sometimes that is true, but most people won’t admit it when they are wrong publicly - even if they know they are wrong.
It’s just human nature.
there is no denying that the Catholic Church is currently undergoing the “falling away” called for in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
Feed anyone today?
1Co 12:3
(3) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
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1Co 12:11-14
(11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
(12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
(13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(14) For the body is not one member, but many.
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Eph 4:4-7
(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
(7) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
The Baptism is by God the Holy Spirit, not by man, not even Christ Himself, but by God the Holy Spirit who glorifies the Son.
The problem is that most Christians who claim Jesus as their savior, treat him like a lifeguard that will pluck them out after they are drowning (die.) Which would you sooner have, A lifeguard that rescues you when you are drowning, or a lifeguard that teaches you how to swim? While Jesus has the ability to rescue the drowning, He preferred to teach his Father’s Will. He wanted people to learn how to swim. Remember his words to the disciples when He sent them out. “The things that I do and more, you too shall do in my name.” That’s what happens when you become Christ like in your personal life.
>> I agree. Reading Vladimir Lossky’s book “The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church” drove that home for me.
It showed me just how limiting dead academic theology is. We must know God not just know about God.
LOL, read the link. Open your eyes and mind.
where am i throwing stones?
were the Scriptures created by man? are they perfect?
And a mormon can become a Doctor of Theology at BYU.
A Christian who is not humble is not a Christian. Jesus set the example of humility when he willingly underwent suffering and death despite being the creator of all.
>>In the service for Good Friday, Greek Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians proclaim:
Thou didst ransom us from the curse of the Law by Thy precious Blood. Nailed to the Cross and pierced with the lance, Thou didst pour forth immortality for men. O our Savior, glory be to Thee.
(Second Tone)
Today there is hung upon the Tree, He that suspended the earth upon the waters. A crown of thorns is placed upon Him Who is the King of the Angels. With false purple is He wrapped about, He that wrappeth the Heavens with clouds. Buffetings did He receive, Who freed Adam in the Jordan. With nails was He affixed, He that is the Bridegroom of the Church. With a lance was He pierced, He that is the Son of the Virgin. We worship Thy Passion, O Christ. Show also unto us Thy glorious Resurrection.
“One Body, many members.”
In Buddhism there is a parable of four blind men, who are led up to an elephant for the first time. The first feels the ear and says “an elephant is like a huge palm leaf”, the second feel a leg and says “an elephant is like a huge column”, the third feels the tail and says “an elephant is like a rope”, the fourth feels the trunk and says “an elephant is like huge snake.”
They were all correct, but all only had a small piece of the big picture. So it is with the many perceptions of God. They are all partially correct, but none have the understanding of the big picture of God. If you open your view and examine the universal truths within all religions, you will find that they say the same thing.
I once spent a week with Thich Nhat Hahn, a Zen Buddhist monk. In my sangha was a Methodist pastor. He made a statement that hit me like a 2x4 to the side of my head. He said, “After all my years at the pulpit teaching Christianity, I can honestly say that I have never really understood it until now when I look at the Bible from a Buddhist perspective.
Frankly, that document was leading folks toward believing the church hierarchy was more important than the doctrines given in the Bible, and you and I know that just ain't right.
Just where do people come up with these things
the Holy Spirit uses the Church to baptize.
read Acts 2:38.. “ be baptized for the remission of sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ commanded the Church to teach and baptize. He sent the Holy Spirit to the Church to empower it to carry out these commands.
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