Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish

Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

[boatbums]

It's obvious to anyone, that despite their claims of being led by the Spirit, that they weren't and their followers would have recognized it if they had investigated Scripture instead of putting their faith in their leaders.

That is certainly the way Jesus advised us how to know if someone was from the Lord. "By their fruits ye shall know them." All those people who followed after those charlatans - and they were NOT the first nor the last ones to exist - were spiritually blinded either by their own sinfulness, laziness, greed and who knows what else. The same kind of attitude is all around today right out in the open and some brazenly so. Look at the Westboro loonies. Scripture MUST be the authority for faith and life and its truths are just as relevant today as they were thousands of years ago - human nature doesn't change. The Apostles and the early church believers battled apostasy and heresy back then, too, and their sword was the Word of God and their shield was faith. It IS a spiritual battle, after all.

[D-fendr]

thanks for your reply.

I disagree that sola scriptura fits being called a "performative contradiction". Of course, I still don't know what you even mean by the term.

You don't even know what the term means but you know sola scriptura doesn't fit it; and, later on, that something else does.

Ok...

The syntax: "Logic should also tell you..." would strongly indicate a performative contradiction is a term used in logic, reason, critical thinking…

Contradiction doesn't need to be explained; performative would indicate something to do with the performance of.

Scripture is the final authority for the truths of the Christian faith and is sufficient of itself to be this authority.

Since the "final authority" does not say it is the final authority nor sufficient of itself to be so, if you believe the statement to be true, it is false.

If you do it; it's undoes itself.

Performative. Contradiction.

Thanks for your courteous and thoughtful reply.

[boatbums]

Very funny. I meant I still don't know what you mean by the term sola scriptura. And I still disagree that the term fits into what you call a performative contradiction. Even the Catholic Church declares that the Bible is Divinely inspired - God breathed - and is infallible and inerrant. My contention is simply that if they state this, then they cannot come back and assign infallibility to themselves, also. Scripture IS infallible and divinely inspired, so it is no contradiction to state that it is the authority for our faith. God obviously determined it to be here and God does not make mistakes and God did not assign the same authority for the Catholic Church - though they declare themselves as being so. Scripture is God's word to us whether you or I or anyone else believes it to be true. It IS, like God IS. Jesus certainly asserted the authority of Scripture numerous times as did the writers of Scripture. They recognized that the Holy Spirit was speaking through them and, as such, it is a lamp unto our feet, a light unto our path, pure, holy, eternal and trustworthy. My acknowledging the fact does not disprove it.

[metmom]

What you said.

Amen and Amen!!!!!

[D-fendr]

Thanks, BB.

We don’t disagree on what Holy Scripture is, it’s source and essence.

What we disagree on is the doctrine of *sola* scriptura.

As I’ve argued ad nauseam, the doctrine is wrong, an error, because:

A) It doesn’t work.
It fails to result in the Church as seen in Holy Scripture (and afterward) Rather, it results in varied and contradicting doctrine and fractured and fighting congregations that come and go; it is individualistic and subjective. This result alone rules it out as “Christ’s Idea” for His Church.

B) It fails based on its own criteria.
The performative contradiction. It falls on its own weight.

Thanks again for your courtesy and sense of humor.

[D-fendr]

UPDATE: He's out.

Gay-friendly clergy disinvited from Castro church

Most Holy Redeemer Church, a Catholic parish in the middle of the Castro, is in trouble again with church leaders over how best to minister to its heavily gay and lesbian congregation.

In the latest incident, Archbishop George Niederauer had the church's pastor, the Rev. Steve Meriwether, rescind invitations to a trio of gay-friendly clergy scheduled to speak at a series of pre-Christmas evening services.

Hat tip: Ransomed

[marshmallow]

Wow.........4,000 posts in a month......LOL!

Thanks for the update. I'd completely forgotten about this thread. Without even looking at the 4K posts, I can guess where it went.........