Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
For the same reason catholic scholors, those here on FR who adhere to Rome, use the those texts and or similar from those eras.....the authors, and texts, and writings and history to support what you say you belief.
We're using your resources to inform you where you might be lacking in the understanding of what the church has and does teach. If you think they don't then defend that position according to your churches teachings.
I have posted Linguoir’s Book...which you now say he is not lying....ok...let’s debate the quotes then...and see if that is so or not.
BTW You have known from the get go the author and his book...quoted name and pages and author from the beginning. So why are you even questioning that.....another diversion perhaps?
all reference to his book now clearly given so youl may "compile" whatever you will of his quotes concerning his adoration and worship of Mary and elevating her above Christ and God...in the quotes of which I began this discussion with and pages etc. given.
Some folks don't like to limit themselves by admitting to a single irrational belief, Judith, they enjoy browsing at the salad bar of heresy and schism. I have no doubt that those who are so actively anti-Catholic here are periodically equally active in other places where they attack non-Catholic Christians for anything from accepting something other than the KJV of the Bible to not agreeing with their personal interpretation of what the definition of "is" is.
In a country where the vast majority has always been Protestant or part of a Protestant derived religion, I doubt that those who attack the Catholic Church can ever limit themselves to only attacking the Catholic Church. There are just too many other Christians such attack dogs obviously don't agree with for such dogs limit themselves to telling lies only about the Catholic Church.
JMHO
Regard
****Once again you and others fail greatly in not addressing what quotes were presented...let alone re-post them and comment accordingly....you have failed to defend your church. Further you are mistaken to say the catholic church doesn’t “officially “ worship Mary. Check the Vatican site and you will see otherwise.*****
The quotes you redacted are quite lengthy and I have not found them online in a format from which I can cut and paste to here.
I did comment on the entire work and encourage those who are truly interested to read St. Ligouri’s work, starting with the notices and introductions that are at the beginning of it.
Ironic, that you would insist that I repost the entire quotes when you did not feel the need to do so when you first brought them into the conversation.
I am not mistaken regarding the “worship” of Mary. Her glories, as St. Ligouri says begins with her cooperation with Go’s will and desire to use her as the means by which the Salvation of the world would come to us.
Once again, you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the Church and Mary’s role in the salvation of sinners.
I have no problem with that, it is not something a protestant can understand unless one opens one’s heart to her in a way that most protestants can’t.
My problem and objection as I have said over and over is the way you brought St. Ligouri into the conversation, i.e. a shotgun blast meant to wound and not to edify, and then to enjoy the aftermath.
I have no time to go chasing down such voluminous quotes, reprint them and in my mostly inadequate way, defend them to someone who has no desire to read what I might write, and who’s original intent was not to post the quotes but just enough to further the anti Catholic agenda.
One cannot read “The Glories of Mary” without first knowing the author, reading the introduction, knowing the history behind the many previous doctors and theologians he quotes and uses as resource.
To do all of this, in order to defend it, I would have to post large portions of all of that from the book itself.
St. Ligouri does a fine job of defending and explaining himself and for those who want to know the entire story there is a pdf version of the book one can download for free.
In order to prove that something is not there, I could post the entire pages quoted and show everyone that the claimed quotes do not exist. Is that what you are asking for?
Would you mind telling me where you did get it? I doubt that you read the book first and then extracted the exact same information in the same order as various antiCatholic websites entirely by coincidence.
But again....read the book...it’s avaiable on line so that you can read in full context which was your question to begin with.
I have read the pages around the ones that you indicated to see if I could find the 'missing' quotations. So far, I think that that is sufficient. It simply shows that the claims are untrue to the point where most of the claimed information simply does not exist.
A shame, really. Caww and I have had some good conversations lately.
No, that’s not what I’ve observed at all. The pure scriptural refutation of points goes unanswered by Catholics and Catholic propaganda ensues. We’re not interested in the mythologies of the RCC that Catholics fall for.
If you can’t find scripture to point to errors in the post by boatbums the Catholic mythological attempts at mind control should and most often do fall on ears and eyes opened by the Holy Spirit.
>> When that sort of folks post a lie, fabrication, misrepresentation, and all the other sort of game playing, self-gratifying, garbage they revel in, I may or may not post a direct statement pointing out for others that the noise such a person posted is just that.<<
Other than Catholic myth, hearsay, and doctrine made from whole cloth or pagan influences no scriptural refutation is given. When attempts are made to inject scripture by Catholics, proofs of error are swift and complete by those who haven’t fallen under the heretical propaganda of the CC. Why can’t Catholics use scripture to support their views?
Why accuse others of lying or fabrication when they support everything they say with scripture? Vitriolic spewing of epitaphs only reduces the one using them to irrelevant.
Plausible deniability.
Please, tell me how you learned of St. Ligouri and was led to seek him out?
As I said, he is not an author most modern Catholics have ever even heard of, much less read.
“Blinded and turned over” comes to mind.
Why not post the link to the book itself?
Funny, how after all the back and forth regarding where you got the compilation of quotes, you suddenly were able to give a link which contains the book.
You could have done exactly that in the very first post, but didn’t, why?
Ok! I am wholeheartedly and totally opposed to the Catholic Church heresy and pagan practices and symbolism. I believe that Catholics have fallen for false doctrines, dogmas and practices. I will publicly show scriptural evidence of Catholic error at every opportunity. I believe that idolatry is rampant in Catholic practices and beliefs and the RCC may well be the whore of Revelation. I would advise all who have fallen under the spell of the RCC to “come out of her” as warned in Revelation.
And still no substantive scriptural evidence to refute the content of the post.
The irony on this thread is certainly deep.
Hope everyone is wearing their boots.
I’ve insulted protestants? Hmmmm, funny what will make some people speak up after lurking on a thread. I guess the insult to Catholics wasn’t offensive enough to comment upon.
God revealed His own mind when He chose to bring salvation to the world through the fiat of a lowly woman. God made His regard of Mary known when He chose her to bear in her womb the very Incarnation of His Word in the form of the human Jesus.
Now, to protestants, such regard may be disputable but not to me and to the Church going back nearly two thousand years.
Open our hearts to Mary? Are you kidding? We open our hearts to Christ.
The book itself is filled with Scriptural references, if you would like to know what they are, read them for yourself.
St. Ligouri does a masterful job of compiling many quotes from the writings of many Catholic authors, saints, doctors and theologians and linking all of them to Scripture.
I have made my defense of him, now I let him speak for himself.
Find the book, read it, I don’t have time to hold your hand while you do so.
****Open our hearts to Mary? Are you kidding? We open our hearts to Christ.*****
And I praise and thank God that Mary opened herself to Him.
***BTW You have known from the get go the author and his book...quoted name and pages and author from the beginning. So why are you even questioning that.....another diversion perhaps?****
Anyone following this thread can clearly see that I NEVER DISPUTED that the quotes came from Ligouri.
It was no diversion, I merely called you out for posting quotes heavily redacted so as to confuse those unfamiliar with his work as to what his meaning was.
If the intent was to post from Ligouri, then why not post the whole thing? Or link to the book which one has to search out?
How is it that the quotes as you posted them appear in exactly the same redacted versions as you posted them on websites, which are the first sites to come up upon googling those quotes? Because when one does find the actual words of St. Ligouri, one finds that there are nearly TWO PAGES of explanation between the first part of the quotes and the last. And that was just from one quote.
As my nana used to say, keep acting “as if butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth”, I know the truth and so does everyone else here.
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