Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
JA: As is all of your testimony about Christ and Paul. After all, you weren't there. You didn't see it.
Likewise for the church fathers. No Catholic alive today ever saw them and yet they believe them. If the testimony written in Scripture about Christ and Paul and by Paul is worthless, then any testimony of anything else from that era is worthless as well and even the testimony of people of today for things you did not see personally with your own eyes is also worthless.
Perhaps some Catholics would like to offer some excuses ... rationalizations.... reasons for not following the clear direct commands of Scripture.
Like this passage as well......
1 Corinthians 5 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. 2And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
3For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened.For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."
Then what's to keep it from being faith 'alone'??? Nothing that I can see...
There is argument to address.. what we have heard is a tradition of men with no foundation.. something that MIGHT have been said about something he had no proof happened ...
Whereas there is no proof in scripture or in CONTEMPORARY history to its truth.
Exactly. They are deeply offended by the submission that Mary showed. The contrast of Mary's humility to the arrogant Protestant declaration of "I am the Church" really is quite telling.
I find it silly that they reserve the most hateful ugly words they can find to fling against those who love the Jewish maid who blessed God with everything she possessed, her very life, flesh and blood.
When you define yourself not in terms of what you are, but in terms of what you are not, then all kinds of silly possibilities can be developed.
Brilliant.
I must say you are consistant...Consistantly wrong...
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Here, whoever believes on Jesus (repents) receives remission of sins...No baptism...
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Here, whoever repents (believes on Jesus), the Holy Spirit fell on...NO BAPTISM...
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Well here we go again...Imagine that...Folks receive remission of sins by believing on Jesus Christ...
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Well Lo and Behold...Wanna brag about how you received remission of sins by getting wet??? NOT...A person gets remission of sins by repentance...And repentance alone...
Since Christianity has always believed in baptism for the remission of sins
Well of course they haven't...Because that's not what Jesus taught...That is however what Catholics believe...It's in their Tradition...
INDEED.
Thx.
The demonized arrogance of the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess-Queen-of-Heaven cult is unparalleled except for that of the Anti-Christ himself.
Exodus 20:4-6 4 "You shall NOT make for yourself
a carved image,
or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Fantasies about a power-mongering old boys' club Magicsterical concocted 4th member sharing the hypostatic union of the God-head are spiritually blasphemous and spiritually deadly. It does not matter the size or degree of fossilization of the INSTITUTION proffering them.
The Authentic Mary herself fiercely condemns such hideousness already. And will do so on Judgment day.
Denial of facts does not alter the facts.
But I have a written record with over 500 people as confirmed witnesses that is guaranteed by God to be perserved to every generation forever...
May not be any different to you but it's a world of difference to me...
Suit yourself...I didn't create the 'web'...I just expose it...
And any books or writings that contain contradictions to the current 66 books of scripture or proven historical accuracies must be considered not inspired by God and therefore not to be used for anything spiritual.
There is nothing that retracts the clear statements of faith alone. That “faith alone” will produce all of the other so called “works”. Not the other way around.
Paul would not have been a Catholic
If anyone were too belong to such a thing, you'd be somewhat right for once (somewhat because it doesn't equate to arrogance, but it would be a bad cult to belong to in general, yes)
Any doctrine or dogma built on conjecture, rumor, or hearsay of men is certainly not honoring the one true God of this Universe.
That whole “unbroken” history of the CC begins to crumble at so many points in scripture.
Some of you, it seems to me, do not trust in Christ as sinners. You get a mingle-mangle kind of faith. You trust in Christ as though you thought Christ could do something for you, and you could do the rest. I tell you that while you look to yourselves, you do not know what faith means. You must be convinced that there is nothing good in yourselves; you must know that you are sinners, and that in your hearts you are as big and as black sinners as the very worst and vilest, and you must come to Jesus, and leave your fancied righteousnesses, and your pretended goodnesses behind you, and you must take him for everything, and trust in him.-Spurgeon
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