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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Natural Law; CynicalBear
Sure, Catholics are "free" to follow 2 and 3. As long as they follow 1. "The Christian faithful, conscious of their own responsibility, are BOUND by Christian OBEDIENCE to FOLLOW what the sacred pastors, as representatives of Christ, DECLARE as teachers of the faith or DETERMINE as leaders of the Church."

Catholics are so "free" they can leave the Church if they aren't willing to follow the demands of the Church. As long as they remember the first thing they were taught: there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

"Relax said the nightman, we are programmed to receive. You can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave.." Hotel Catholicfornia.

3,541 posted on 11/23/2011 9:01:49 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice
"Sure, Catholics are "free" to follow 2 and 3. As long as they follow 1."

Thanks for the laughs. It really is comical when the illiterati pretend to be Canon Lawyers. As my Grandfather used to say its kinda like watching a raccoon trying to hump a greased doorknob.

Perhaps in your zeal to slander the Church you failed to read anything else in the Canon. FYI - Canon 212 is addressing the liturgy. It is to ensure that the Mass is conducted properly.

3,542 posted on 11/23/2011 9:13:50 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law

Your Grandfather really used to say that? Thanksgiving must have been a HOOT at your house;)


3,543 posted on 11/23/2011 9:18:18 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: Natural Law
Choices have consequences. It seems dishonest to attempt to impugn those not bound by the Protestant choice.
A Protestant believes in no infallible authority; he is an authority unto himself, which authority he does not claim to be infallible, if he is sober and sane. He is after truth; and whatever he finds, and wherever he finds it, he subjects it to his own private judgment. He is free to accept or reject, as he pleases. He is not, cannot be, absolutely certain that what he holds is true; he thinks it is. He may discover to-day that yesterday's truths are not truths at all.

3,544 posted on 11/23/2011 9:43:04 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice
"Your Grandfather really used to say that?"

He really was a great old guy. Born in a sod hut in 1881 career soldier; joined up and fought in Cuba in the Spanish American War, was with Pershing in Mexico and in WWI. There is not a day goes by that I don't still miss him.

3,545 posted on 11/23/2011 9:48:54 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear; boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; ...

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PU.HTM

Can. 209 §1. The Christian faithful, even in their own manner of acting, are always obliged to maintain communion with the Church.

§2. With great diligence they are to fulfill the duties which they owe to the universal Church and the particular church to which they belong according to the prescripts of the law.

Can. 210 All the Christian faithful must direct their efforts to lead a holy life and to promote the growth of the Church and its continual sanctification, according to their own condition.

Can. 211 All the Christian faithful have the duty and right to work so that the divine message of salvation more and more reaches all people in every age and in every land.

Can. 212 §1. Conscious of their own responsibility, the Christian faithful are bound to follow with Christian obedience those things which the sacred pastors, inasmuch as they represent Christ, declare as teachers of the faith or establish as rulers of the Church.

Can. 222 §1. The Christian faithful are obliged to assist with the needs of the Church so that the Church has what is necessary for divine worship, for the works of the apostolate and of charity, and for the decent support of ministers.

§2. They are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the precept of the Lord, to assist the poor from their own resources.


3,546 posted on 11/23/2011 9:52:20 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

If these are onerous to you, Christ’s ministry must really gall.


3,547 posted on 11/23/2011 10:06:16 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
"If these are onerous to you, Christ’s ministry must really gall."

"One of the things the Catholic Church fears least in this country is Protestantism. She considers it harmless, moribund, in the throes of disintegration. It never has, cannot and never will thrive long where it has to depend on something other than wealth and political power. It has unchurched millions, is still unchurching at a tremendous rate, and will end by unchurching itself."

- Rev. John H. Stapleton, "Explanation of Catholic Morals - A Concise, Reasoned, and Popular Exposition of Catholic Morals"

3,548 posted on 11/23/2011 10:34:42 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law; smvoice
Perhaps in your zeal to slander the Church

The church slanders itself when it claims it was started by Jesus. They are a 'religious' worldly organization who uses the Jesus wrap to deceive. All their kiss the ring, pomp and circumstance, control tactics are NOTHING like Jesus.

ONE would have to KNOW Jesus in order to see what a fraud the CC is. JESUS, The WORD, is The FINAL Authority. He always was and always will be.
3,549 posted on 11/23/2011 11:06:33 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Natural Law
Insightful and well put.

and will end by unchurching itself."

As is seen here on this thread: "I am the Church."

3,550 posted on 11/23/2011 11:07:40 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Christ’s ministry was NOT one of control. Control is a tactic of satan.


3,551 posted on 11/23/2011 11:09:22 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Natural Law; smvoice; metmom; caww; daniel1212; boatbums
>>Rather than sift through the dumpsters to see what out of context snippets<<

I got that quote from catholicfaithdefenders.com as I showed in that post. I’ll make a note that you consider that a dumpster site. I’m including some others in the ping so they know not to use catholicfaithdefenders.com because it’s a dumpster site.

3,552 posted on 11/23/2011 11:20:32 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: D-fendr
"...slander....deceit.....control...."

We see the words in these threads which express a hatred of Catholicism accompanied by lies about the Church and Catholics by those who claim a monopoly on the intent of God.

With trembling fingers and spittle flecked lips they produce curses about those they find guilty only of imperfectly loving God by their standards while ignoring the 2/3 of the world mired in atheism and false worship. They cite verses of Scripture like magical incantations to try to change the truth, hide Scripture, and deceive God and man about their sins and motives. Pray for them.

"If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen." 1 John 4:20

3,553 posted on 11/23/2011 11:26:10 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: CynicalBear
Oh really...Catholics think 'Catholicfaithdefenders' site is a dumpster? Maybe we need a list from them on what's permissible. But shouldn't that work both ways?
3,554 posted on 11/23/2011 11:26:13 AM PST by caww
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To: smvoice

You got me. I just learned that catholicfaithdefenders.com is considered a “dumpster site”.


3,555 posted on 11/23/2011 11:26:20 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Natural Law; smvoice
>> Thanks for the laughs. It really is comical when the illiterati pretend to be Canon Lawyers.<<

You have to have lawyers to interpret what the RCC teaches?

3,556 posted on 11/23/2011 11:34:27 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: presently no screen name

Some would rather be out of control, but this is not freedom, but slavery.


3,557 posted on 11/23/2011 11:35:22 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: caww

I think any site the exposes the Catholic Church to what the Catholic Church teaches that is contrary to truly infallible scripture is deemed a “dumpster site”. Even if those sites are Catholic sites that list what is true about the Catholic Church.


3,558 posted on 11/23/2011 11:39:41 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: D-fendr

Any one ‘in Christ’ is not out of control.

Those in bondage to control tactics are slaves to their master.


3,559 posted on 11/23/2011 11:40:46 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law
You have to have lawyers to interpret what the RCC teaches?

Catholics must be taught they will burn if they dare interpret on their own - it's must come from a higher authority. And the low class bow in submission like good little pawns and hoping one day they will be privileged to kiss the ring.
3,560 posted on 11/23/2011 11:52:00 AM PST by presently no screen name
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