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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: D-fendr

Because it seems the very Book you are studying is not one the Catholic Church takes literally. What good is Bible study if the Book you are studying is not considered the truth?


3,441 posted on 11/22/2011 3:54:36 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: caww; FamiliarFace
Since you state you're newly back this certainly indicates you are familiar enough to make the choice of where you determine the 'atmosphere' suites you best....obvious not here.

True. Seeing as this thread started on October 23, almost a month ago, I wonder how our "new" friend even found this since it wouldn't show up in a list of Religion Forum threads until at least a few dozen screens. Maybe our FRiend as been following along all this time. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see a reminder to always exhibit love in our discourses, but I question why only now this exhortation to love suddenly shows up. We sure could have used it back when non-Catholics were being compared to single-celled scum dwellers or our contributions likened to human waste. Which brings to the forefront that we don't seek to, nor want to, think of our opponents in such derogatory ways but would prefer to, rather, respectfully, as best we are able, speak the truths that we are convinced comes from God.

3,442 posted on 11/22/2011 3:57:13 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: smvoice

Who said it wasn’t the truth?

And, don’t tell me. You’re a literalist?


3,443 posted on 11/22/2011 3:57:33 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear
"If you can’t do so just say it."

I won't do it, but that doesn't mean the information doesn't exist. If you are too lazy to look it up for yourself then I can't help you, but I do note you have no hesitation to dumpster dive to prove your own points. You put up a strawman. I lit it on fire.

3,444 posted on 11/22/2011 3:57:45 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law
>> You put up a strawman.<<

Straw man? Showing two distinct proven errors in books the CC uses is a straw man?

3,445 posted on 11/22/2011 4:05:04 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: D-fendr

I’m afraid I have to tell you. YES, I’m a literalist. Because God is Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, I am a literalist. Problem?


3,446 posted on 11/22/2011 4:05:23 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: boatbums
Maybe our FRiend as been following along all this time.

It would appear so...or maybe on vacation and just decided to come back a changed man/woman thus the name change..if so.

Time does always tell but it seems the "high five" made more of a statement than anything else.

3,447 posted on 11/22/2011 4:05:52 PM PST by caww
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To: smvoice

Your Bible Study Class must be a real hoot.

Tell me: where is the right hand of God the Father?


3,448 posted on 11/22/2011 4:06:42 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: CynicalBear; Natural Law

It’s not a strawman. It’s a SNOWMAN. Made from the snow job they’ve done on the “faithful”.


3,449 posted on 11/22/2011 4:07:09 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

And:

“Because God is Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, I am a literalist. “

Is another one of your non sequiturs.


3,450 posted on 11/22/2011 4:07:43 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Where is heaven?


3,451 posted on 11/22/2011 4:09:38 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

You tell me, literally of course.


3,452 posted on 11/22/2011 4:12:01 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Do you think heaven is a literal place?


3,453 posted on 11/22/2011 4:19:59 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: boatbums
I wonder how our "new" friend even found this since it wouldn't show up in a list of Religion Forum threads until at least a few dozen screens.

I'm always seeing this thread when I visit FR just because I have the "comments" rather than "articles" tab selected. Occasionally I'll dip in (like now) to see where this, uhh, interesting thread is currently heading.

3,454 posted on 11/22/2011 4:21:08 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: smvoice

Literal place is a vague term. Be more precise.

And is God the Father’s right thumb omnipresent also, or localized?


3,455 posted on 11/22/2011 4:22:16 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice

If you are a literalist you should have an answer from Genesis to where heaven is.


3,456 posted on 11/22/2011 4:26:28 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

It is not a nonsequiture. Because God is Onmiscient, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent, I believe He created the earth in 6 literal days. And I believe this present earth is about 6000 years old. And I believe “He hath chosen us in him BEFORE the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love.” Eph. 1:4.


3,457 posted on 11/22/2011 5:59:27 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: D-fendr
"Uh-oh, D-."

For the record, I do not support the data in opposition to Exodus or Genesis and in that regard I am consistent. I merely pointed to its existence.

I do not point to "history" to refute one part of the Bible that provides "difficulties" to Protestantism and then condemn "history" that similarly impeaches Old Testament literalism.

3,458 posted on 11/22/2011 6:00:13 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: smvoice

Interpreting the entire Bible entirely literally, or any other way or not at all for that matter, does not follow from God’s omniscience, omnipotence or omnipresence.

That’s why your statement is a non sequitur.


3,459 posted on 11/22/2011 6:03:05 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
"Literal place is a vague term."

Not to a literalist. Only to those who want to take what they like and ignore or change what they don't like.

Is the Eucharist a literal changing of the wafer and wine into the body and blood of Christ? Or is it a "vague term" also, to Catholics? Of course you believe THAT is literal. But heaven? That's a "vague term"...???

3,460 posted on 11/22/2011 6:04:30 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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