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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: metmom; Judith Anne

THANK YOU, mm. Judith Anne seems to spend a lot of time at forbidden websites, she’s almost a scholar on the subject. It’s not only disingenous, it’s downright deceitful. And I, for one, am sick and tired of the accusations. Prove it or shut up.


3,041 posted on 11/20/2011 3:17:40 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: smvoice

Well, if it makes the RCC look bad it must not be allowed to stand.


3,042 posted on 11/20/2011 3:18:04 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Jvette; CynicalBear
There must have been some criteria which set apart those FEW which were actually chosen from the rest.

At the very least, when Jesus Himself quotes from them and calls them Scripture, that verifies it.

3,043 posted on 11/20/2011 3:19:21 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear

My point was that each of us has the Holy Spirit within us to protect us from charlatans such as organized the RCC.

Ah, but that is your opinion.

I believe the Holy Spirit leads me to find and follow Jesus through His Church.


3,044 posted on 11/20/2011 3:20:14 PM PST by Jvette
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To: metmom

Exactly. Destroy the message, the messenger, and anything else that could possibly shed truth on that den of deceit. Even if you have to resort to deceit and lies yourself to destroy it.


3,045 posted on 11/20/2011 3:21:40 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: smvoice; Judith Anne
OK !!

Cults believe they have a corner on the truth. They may use a specific set of texts to create their own truth, interpret the Bible according to a set doctrine, or hold the words of the cult leader equal with the words of the Bible or God. Cult members hear that the only truth lies within the teachings of the cult and access to other sources of spiritual wisdom may be restricted.

Read more: Criteria for the Definition of a Cult | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_10000969_criteria-definition-cult.html#ixzz1eI3EGUvY

3,046 posted on 11/20/2011 3:24:53 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Judith Anne; smvoice
Those are the first two sites that came up, a forbidden one, **************.com and the other one, which is copyrighted.

Does that mean you should feel obligated to presume the worst about someone?

3,047 posted on 11/20/2011 3:25:29 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

A quick google search shows the two sites, one copyrighted, and one forbidden, as the top two results.


3,048 posted on 11/20/2011 3:26:51 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: metmom

Let’s not get personal, here.


3,049 posted on 11/20/2011 3:27:28 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: smvoice

Well, if you go to a site that the RM says “mongers hate” and pick up your quotes there, or at copyrighted sites, then you have to expect that your sources will be rightfully impeached.

As usual.


3,050 posted on 11/20/2011 3:28:51 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: CynicalBear

Do you believe YOU have a corner on the truth? It appears you do, from your posts. I disagree, should I then call you a cult member? So far, I have not.


3,051 posted on 11/20/2011 3:30:15 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Cults believe they have a corner on the truth.

OTOH, we believe that Scripture is the source of all truth, open and available to all, with no requirements of membership in our church or special interpretation by our church leaders only. The Holy Spirit will guide the sincere seeker into all truth and God will not let him go.

Do Catholics think that God is not capable of taking care of the spiritual growth and maturity of the individual believer Himself so that they have to do the job for Him?

The whole attitude smacks of the thinking that God is somehow going to botch the whole thing and lose souls because he can't handle it Himself.

3,052 posted on 11/20/2011 3:33:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Judith Anne
A quick google search shows the two sites, one copyrighted, and one forbidden, as the top two results.

Not when I did it.

And besides.....

SO WHAT?

Does that still mean you have to presume the worst about someone?

3,053 posted on 11/20/2011 3:35:01 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: smvoice

Can’t you just feel the looooovvvveeee...????


3,054 posted on 11/20/2011 3:35:35 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
3,055 posted on 11/20/2011 3:39:44 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Jvette; CynicalBear
Ah, but there is a way to know for sure if you are being led by the Holy Spirit.

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Cor. 11:4.

What is the gospel, according to the RCC? What does the Holy Spirit do, in the RCC? If you are being led to anyone other than Christ, you do not have the Holy Spirit leading you. If you are led to Mary to intercede for you, other saints to pray to, or visions and apparitions to heal you, give you new information from God, etc., it is not the Holy Spirit leading. The Holy Spirit always leads to Christ. No one else. What about Jesus? There is a false Jesus, one who tells you works are your way to him, who distorts and twists Scripture so that no man can understand without others telling them what it means. One who leads you to destruction, one "good" work at a time. This "jesus" leads one AWAY from the finished work of Christ and leads one TO works for righteousness.

3,056 posted on 11/20/2011 3:41:14 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: metmom

Please do not get personal.


3,057 posted on 11/20/2011 3:41:26 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Judith Anne
"I can’t think of anyone in your group that I would want to call “instructor” so, no problem."

Again we are expected to imprint the limitations of English onto Scripture and accept what it gives us. It is similar to watching a modern High Definition movie on an old black and white TV. Father (πατηρ Pator) in Greek had three distinct meanings; genitor, metaph, and God. When Protestants tell us in English that we are to call no man "father" they are being way too vague to be taken seriously.

3,058 posted on 11/20/2011 3:41:40 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Judith Anne; smvoice

Another example of a post that can’t be discounted ey?


3,059 posted on 11/20/2011 3:44:07 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Judith Anne
Are you so dense that you cannot read what is clearly written? I did not go to a site the RM says "mongers hate". YOU DID. I've had quite enough of your deceit, lies and accusations, Judith Anne. Prove it or shut up.
3,060 posted on 11/20/2011 3:45:01 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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