Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
I do hope you get used to the bad jokes here, then. Those pursed lips are going to remain pursed...for eternity.
Not in my half of the church. Peter is accepted that way due to tradition, But in Orthodoxy, The Pope is not a Primate.
And yes, many heresies came about, and the Councils dealt with them all.
I am not confused. I accept the Holy Tradition on faith.
Hey wait a minute! Didn’t you wish me a great day earlier? I thought that meant you were..well...going. And here you are, again. How do you know they’re funny in heaven? Do the saints you pray to tell you jokes? Are you visited regularly by the Saint of Stand-up? SURELY you guys MUST have a saint for comedy. You have one for everything else..
So when did the split officially happen between RC and Orthodoxy? And do you believe that there was only one church operating before the split? That there were no more churches operating than Catholicism?
The Catholic Church agree with you? The Catholic Church is about God, not Protestants. If you happen to agree with the Church, then that is good. It's not about the Church agreeing with an apostate.
Now, with that said, the Church has indeed INRI over the head of Jesus on the Crucifix. You claim sola. You cannot claim the authority of the Church in some matters but not all. Either the Church is right or else it is wrong. That was the downfall of the cafeteria Catholics who thought that they could pick and choose. If the Church is wrong, you must repudiate everything about it. If it is right, then it is right.
John did indeed quote it, but who is to say that it was not written in Greek originally and then copied by Jerome et al into Latin? We may speculate, but you have written assuredly and, as with most Protestant assurances, there is nothing assured about it.
Let's not forget the Romans also lost to the Gauls, Visigoths, Vandals, Ostragoths, Arabs and Normans.
Crucifixion was the most severe form of execution imaginable by a very brutal people. Our word excruciating is derived from the words "ex cruce" meaning from the cross. It was reserved for enemies of Rome as a form of state sponsored terrorism to break the will of subjugated peoples. It was forbidden to crucify Roman citizens, regardless of their crimes which is why St. Paul was not crucified. The Church converted a symbol of terror and oppression into a symbol of hope and joy.
And did so for all time in such a great fashion.
Let us not forget the contingent here who disapprove of Nicea and refuse to consider anything that they did to be Christian.
In the odd world of the Reformation, Zwingli was really the odd one. Kinda like the goofy cousin that only gets invited to the family get togethers because you feel that you have to.
There are some comedians that belong in Heaven; there are others that belong in hell. I wonder where Dennis Leary will wind up...
Dennis Leary...now THAT’S a good question! Funny, but...the old ones are the funniest to me..Jack Benny, Milton Berle, Mo, Larry, Curly (I HAD to include them, they still make me laugh), I’m having brain fade here...who’s the guy who did the Naked Gun movies? HIM. He made me lol just to see his facial expressions. I think that’s what makes comedy great, facial expressions. And of course Roseanne. NOT. Just making sure you were paying attention ;). I love LOOKS for laughs more than the lines for laughs..
Well, let’s start here. Did John quote that Latin version or not?
John quoted the Latin inscription. IESUS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM (Jesus of Nazareth The King of The Jews.)
And was Latin the Roman language and one of the languages Luke said were on the plaque or not?
John quoted Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews, sure. That does not mean that John wrote it in Latin. We have it on faith that the entire NT was written in Greek. It was later translated into Latin. We are not sure when INRI became popular, but it was later on into the first millennium, after Jerome.
The problem with many people is that they have no clue as to the length of time that Church has been around and who did what and when and why. And Greek is the first language of the Church; Latin is the second. 10 points to you if you can tell me the third.
I wasn’t claiming the authority of the RCC. You are the one who thinks the RCC is the only one who is correct. If you think they are correct then you need to believe that indeed John was quoting the Latin version which was on the plaque.
>>John did indeed quote it, but who is to say that it was not written in Greek originally and then copied by Jerome et al into Latin?<<
So you are saying that John would have used the Greek version then someone else translated it into Latin? Are you so intent on not believing what scripture says that you are going to revert to the ridiculous?
I think it would be best to discontinue this conversation. It’s starting to feel like I’m discussing this with a delusional and it’s wasting my time. Believe as you wish. Have a nice day.
I don’t need your points or care to discuss with you any longer.
It couldn't be more clear. Jesus was sent by The Father and the Holy Spirit ALWAYS points us to Jesus, our Savior. Refusing to bow to 'it is ALL about JESUS' NOW has eternal consequences.
It is all about God, of whom Jesus is the Second Person.
John 14: 30 I will no longer speak much with you, for the ruler of the world* is coming. He has no power over me, 31but the world must know that I love the Father and that I do just as the Father has commanded me. Get up, let us go.v
One day knees will bow when it's too late. Talk about being willfully ready to fail! Being worldly in one's approach to the supernatural does not/will not/cannot work. It's because of Jesus we can even go to The Father and we must go in Jesus' Name.
Matthew 28: 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."
It's because of Jesus we can even go to The Father and we must go in Jesus' Name. It's not rocket science, Mark, and pride is ugly and damning. We are nothing without Jesus.
We believe in the Trinitarian God, pnsn. We are not Oneness Pentecostals who are arguably not Christian.
It gets so twisted and knotted and gummed up that it becomes impossible to sort it out. The question is: is it on purpose?
It's rude to point.
Nope, unfortunately that’s the way one must think in order to hold the RCC Churchianity as valid. It's a different influence than we go by.
Leslie Nielsen. Son of a Mountie. Brother of a Deputy Prime Minister of Canada.
I’m glad that you did not mention Curley Joe...
Curley Joe? Pfffffttttt. amateur.
John 3:14-18 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
He told us so we can know now, not have to wait until we get there to find out if we made it.
So I'm going to believe Him. You should try it some time.
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