Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism

The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

[MarkBsnr]

The question is about where CB got the information that Matthew wrote the inscription in Hebrew, Luke in Greek, and John in Latin. Mark was left to write in an unknown language, probably Tagalog or something.

Do you have something to add? Like actual Scriptural proof?

[Natural Law]

"What did he say?"

Mark, this is another case where Scripture is incomplete. It is a story told by eye witnesses decades after the fact. There are minor differences in detail, yet none can say that the differing accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John perjured themselves or the Lord. John tells us that the message was placed there at the command of Pilate himself and was done over the objections of the Chief Priest. It tells us more of the mind of the Romans than the Holy Spirit. This sinner's conclusion is that this point is not important to the Gospel message.

Jesus' sacrifice was to gather and unite us. How sad that we use it to divide us.

[smvoice]

What time period are you talking about concerning the early Church? Acts 15 concerns the first Church Council. I’m curious as to time periods here, as to when these jurisdictions were set up. And when Rome became the Imperial City. Thanks.

[smvoice]

Good grief, Mark. Do I need to send you the blueprints for a JOKE? The "letter" was from YOUR SIDE to the POPE...and the point of the crackers and welch's grape juice was that once you've gotten to the point that you're so hungry, you've begun to eat your own words, you would even welcome the butt of your own jokes against Protestants. You would chow down on crackers and grape juice. The very things you accuse Protestants of.

Let me know if I need to include footnotes, definitions, examples or drawings from now on.

It's about IMPLICIT meanings, EXPLICIT meanings, and LITERAL meanings. Those things that Catholics are so good at, remember?

[Natural Law]

"Coredemptrix is not equal?"

How many times do we have to reiterate the meaning of this word. The Latin meaning of this word is "she who cooperated in our redemption". This is as bad as liberals insisting that fad modern definitions be applied by the Supreme Court to render decisions based upon something other than original intent.

[MarkBsnr]

ping to post

[Natural Law]

"*ability* to understand Scripture would be more accurate."

Just like every OWS protester believes they have the *ability* to interpret the Constitution.

[Judith Anne]

Very lame. You didn’t sign it, “Rev. Billy Bob Rolex,” either.

None of you has much of a sense of humor.

[Judith Anne]

They can’t read, they have no sense of humor, and each is his/her own pope.

[Natural Law]

"She was made sinless at the moment of conception."

That differs only slightly from my own belief that she was preserved sinless from the moment of consent. It was a message to all mankind.

What do you suppose compels some to argue over the punctuation and ancient idioms in ancient manuscripts of Scripture and ignore the most vividly and repeatedly stated theme; that we simply love one another as God loves us? Its as like some evil magician's diversion. (Any guess who or what that might be?)

[TexConfederate1861]

Acts 15 IS the Council of Jerusalem. Some jurisdictions like Jerusalem existed from the beginning of the faith. We know that Antioch and Rome had bishops from as early as Paul's Journeys. St. Ignatius was bishop of Antioch, directly after St. Peter. Ignatius was martyred in 67 A.D. Linus was Bishop of Rome around the same time. The earliest Christian Liturgy is the Liturgy of St. Justin Martyr, from 150 AD. Justin was martyred in 167 A.D. Here is one of his earliest writings about the Eucharist: "And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist] ... For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” Rome had always been the Imperial City of the Roman Emperors, but around 300AD, when Constantine legalized and adopted Christianity as the Official Religon, then the Church gave that status to Rome. Many Years later, the distinction was also given to Constantinople.

[smvoice]

...and the mirer of mirth entered the town..seeking those who smile...

[TexConfederate1861]

Yep. I do indeed

[MarkBsnr]

Mark, this is another case where Scripture is incomplete. It is a story told by eye witnesses decades after the fact. There are minor differences in detail, yet none can say that the differing accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John perjured themselves or the Lord. John tells us that the message was placed there at the command of Pilate himself and was done over the objections of the Chief Priest. It tells us more of the mind of the Romans than the Holy Spirit. This sinner's conclusion is that this point is not important to the Gospel message.

And this sinner agrees with you. It is just so interesting to see that those who hang their hats on the peg of sola scriptura violate that principle with reckless abandon, while never admitting it.

[MarkBsnr]

Good grief, Mark. Do I need to send you the blueprints for a JOKE?

A funny one will do nicely.

Let me know if I need to include footnotes, definitions, examples or drawings from now on.

How about the ProE 3D model?

It's about IMPLICIT meanings, EXPLICIT meanings, and LITERAL meanings. Those things that Catholics are so good at, remember?

Yeah, it's all about claiming sola whilst violating it on a regular basis.

[Natural Law]

"Yep. I do indeed"

I wasn't completely sure of the Mariology of our Eastern Brothers and Sisters but I am happy to know we are united in this too.

[MarkBsnr]

How many times do we have to reiterate the meaning of this word. The Latin meaning of this word is "she who cooperated in our redemption". This is as bad as liberals insisting that fad modern definitions be applied by the Supreme Court to render decisions based upon something other than original intent.

An apt comparison. The basis for the Reformation's reinterpretation of the Bible is the same as the basis for liberals reinterpreting the Constitution.

[TexConfederate1861]

Where we differ is on the Dogma of Immaculate Conception. One of those issues the Orthodox-Catholic Dialog is working on.

[MarkBsnr]

Catholics do not grovel in fear, nor do we do works so that God can chalk up our “good works” column and then compare it to our “bad Christian” column. A Catholic does good out of love and gratitude for the grace God has given us, we do this freely, as God has done so freely for us.

The point of “good works” and going to Mass and making confession is so we “remain in Him” and thus “He will remain in us”. People fall away when they do not keep themselves close to Jesus through prayer and doing what He commanded. That is how people feel comfortable enough in their sin to call good evil and evil good believing that by merely professing or confessing a belief in Jesus they are saved.

I do not beg and grovel and live in fear. I live to remain in grace by following Christ and doing as He commanded.

One of your best posts. Thank you.

[smvoice]

I had no idea that a joke could be so scrutinized that a charge of “claiming sola whilst violating it on a regular basis’ could be leveled. With a straight face. Please tell me you’re wearing a big afro multi colored wig, a big pair of sunglasses and a fake arrow through your head as you’re writing..