Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
And here I thought I was going to make it the whole day without a ping to the opinion of a fallible man.
"Here's your first chance at a convert. Give us the whole picture. Converting to non-Catholics doesn't count, that's a done deal. Gotta go whole-hog Dispensationalism."
See, you rang MY doorbell and bothered me with your useless waste of my time.
sqeak, squeak, the Catholic Cart of Knowledge rambles on down the road, wobbling wheels and dusty Bibles buried under worn out doctrines and early Church Father's invented history. And Mary refrigerator magnets or Keys to the Kingdom keychains for anyone who takes the 2 years necessary to begin try to understand Catholic teachings.
Exactly what I was talking about, CB. But please do not attempt to sully this thread with TRUTH. It’s easier to let a pig wear lipstick than explain why it shouldn’t.
No, that wasn’t the post you replied which my reply resulted in your complaint.
The path from your complaint, 2343, is to 2262 to 2277 to 2307 which concludes with “SmVoice can tell you all about it, right smvoice?”
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,
Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.
The Greek word charitoó is used by Catholics to try to point to Mary being “full of grace” or “highly favored. The word charitoo according to Greek concordances is: From charis; to grace, i.e. Indue with special honor -- make accepted, be highly favoured. [http://concordances.org/greek/5487.htm]
The word is used twice in the New Testament. Once in Luke 1 and the other in Ephesians 1.
Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Don’t attempt to tell me what I was referring to. I am telling you I was referring to your post 2237. It’s yours. Own it. And if you don’t want to own it, then stop ringing my doorbell.
And don’t forget about the secret stuff they don’t get to here about until they have paid the entry fee.
My goodness, a second opinion of a fallible man so quickly, and just to me only.
Sorry, Charlie... your rules.
"Therefore, to resume, I establish: (1) That Jesus has given to His apostles the same power that He gave to St. Peter. (2) That the apostles never recognized in St. Peter the vicar of Jesus Christ and the infallible doctor of the church. (3) That St. Peter never thought of being pope, and never acted as if he were pope...I conclude victoriously, with history, with reason, with logic, with good sense, and with a Christian conscience, that Jesus Christ did not confer any supremacy on St. Peter and that the bishops of Rome did not become sovereigns of the church, but only confiscating one by one all the rights of the episcopate." (Bishop Joseph Strossmayer in his speech before the Vatican Council in 1870).
Maybe in human terms, but NOT under God's. He marks us as his own, seals us for eternity, indwells us as the EARNEST of our inheritance. You always seem to come back to this argument as the reason why you will not ever express assurance in your salvation and mock those who do. Do you not really believe God? Have you not really trusted in Christ as savior? Do you not believe God GIFTS you eternal life by his grace through YOUR faith? What IDIOT would reject such a gift anyway? Sure people refuse to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior, but once one HAS and the Holy Spirit takes up residence creating a NEW NATURE within, how could anyone "spurn" it later? WHY?
No, these "reasons" you give are highly suspect and I have to question someone who claims to believe in Christ, believe that God gives to us eternal life through Christ, yet rejects the right to be called a child of God, rejects the right to claim the promises of God BECAUSE he IS God and rejects the assurance God desires for us to know so that we truly have the freedom that is in Christ Jesus to live holy and abundant lives for the glory of God.
Some of the worst laws we have came about because of "exceptions" rather than the rule. Roe v. Wade was approved because a woman (falsely) claimed to be pregnant as a result of rape. Therefore the Supreme Court passed a law that, in essence, has made abortion legal at any time and for any reason. You say you reject that a person can state that they are saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ solely because someone might in the future "spurn" the gift of God and turn into an unbeliever. That sounds like one of those rare exceptions. But you know, even more, if a person genuinely rejects Jesus Christ after he has placed his faith in him, only two things are possible. One, he did not come to faith in Christ but only pretended it and, in that case, never really ever was saved. Or, he is confused and going through a valley of despair and has not yet overcome doubt. In that case, if he sincerely did accept Christ, then he is still saved because God knows his heart - he knows if faith was real - and is waiting for him to realize God has never left him or forsaken him. Many people go through times of doubt and even fall into sin. God disciplines us as a good father does and he is always faithful to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Jesus said he will lose none of us and that means, if we are his, we will always be his. So which are you?
If ever a place needed exorcism...but the faithful get bent out of shape over non-Catholics. That is their fear. And hatred.
When Rev. 17 and 18 begin, it's going to be one HUGE pile of steaming stench blowing in the winds over Rome. THere is going to be an exorcism there real soon. Straight from Heaven.
Sorry, but, much as some may wish otherwise, history is history.
If you click "Post Reply" to a particular post one assumes that is what one is doing: replying to that post. In fact, we use this method to determine context of discussion. Unless of course the reply indicates otherwise. That's been the way of the interwebs as far back as 36k modems.
At the very least, if one clicks reply to a post, we can assume one has read it.
Now, you are correct, I cannot know what you thought you were replying to; however, I can say that if you have deduced from my posts that I'm am sincerely interested in learning more about your religion, you thought wrong, incredibly off base logically.
However I did, and still do, encourage you to try out the special decodes of your religion on other nonCatholics here, nay proselytize away with the same irresistible force of all caps and bold fonts you used on me when you (mistakenly) thought I was a sincere seeker of all things Dispensational.
And then paint it with a new brush and call it Christian. That’s how they ended up with the whole “queen of heaven” thing.
In effect, Catholics believe that there is a different dispensation as well.
They do not follow the Law as prescribed in the OT and they consider themselves the new Israel.
That would be a new dispensation of another flavor.
Upbraid all you want, it will not cause me to disbelieve that God wants us to KNOW we have eternal life. Why did he direct the writers of Scripture to say exactly that if he didn't want us to have assurance? If God wants us to constantly beg for his mercy, never knowing from moment to moment if we'll "make it", then tell me why he inspired John, for example, to write "These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God." (I John 5:13) or for Jesus to say "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life." (John 5:24) or "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life." (John 6:47)?
And I doubt you realize it but that is Scripture, God breathed by the Holy Spirit.
I just copied and pasted the whole chapter.
The body of Christ is NOT just one member or organ. The criticism of Protestantism and the number of denominations then carries no weight. The different churches can just be considered different parts of the one body with their different functions, all working together in the unity of the Spirit.
Sorry, Charlie... your rules.
And this is the loving Father of the Bible, according to Catholicism? One who makes His followers beg and grovel, and live in fear and apprehension that after doing all that, they still won't be sure about where they end up and have to wait until they die to find out?
That's bondage, not freedom in Christ.
The challenge was do you two share pro-Dispensationalism®.
Metmom, if you're not clear on what Dispensationalism teaches, I think smvoice will be happy to tell you.
[And, no, metmom, by dispensation I do NOT mean the new covenant.]
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