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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: TexConfederate1861
I disagree. “One cannot have God as his father, who does not have The Holy Catholic Church as his mother!”.......St. Cyprian of Carthage. 357 AD

Well THANK YOU for proving Catholicism - men St. Cyprian before God!
1,901 posted on 11/13/2011 11:39:07 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: TexConfederate1861
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


1,902 posted on 11/13/2011 11:40:13 AM PST by Lera
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To: Lera
>>Maybe it's time for me to get new glasses again because I just don't see an exemption for Mary in that verse.<<

Or anywhere else in scripture. I only find Jesus stating that we are as blessed as Mary is.

1,903 posted on 11/13/2011 11:53:49 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: oilwatcher
>>not that she remained sinless in her life. That’s what Immaculate Conception means.<<

I think you had better check with the CC teachings on that one. The whole deal is that she was without sin her whole life. It’s made up of wishful thinking or fantasy but that’s what they believe.

1,904 posted on 11/13/2011 11:56:26 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: TexConfederate1861; Lera; presently no screen name
You've got the wrong mother, then.

Galatians 4:21-26 21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

1,905 posted on 11/13/2011 1:21:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
The work is maintaining your faith.

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

Not just this. Christ gave us more than 50 commandments, which your brethren either ignore or make fun of.

1,906 posted on 11/13/2011 1:47:50 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear
>> Why is that so difficult for the children of the Reformation?<<

It’s not. It’s the reasons and impetus for living a clean life. Catholics do them under obligation and non Catholics do them by the nature of the Spirit within them. It’s the difference of walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit.

No, it is the difference between understanding the obligatory and ignoring the obvious. We do what we do because the Lord God Almighty told us to. Protestants do not do as such because they think that they have a pass on such matters ie. that Jesus was just for the Jews and that Paul told them that they do not have do anything at all other than stand still long enough to have salvation pour down upon them.

1,907 posted on 11/13/2011 1:52:33 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
>> which your brethren either ignore or make fun of.<<

What a scurrilous accusation. They don’t make fun of them nor do they “ignore” them. If you can’t tell the difference between following those from an outward legal perspective and an inward desire your problem isn’t something I can help you with.

1,908 posted on 11/13/2011 1:57:59 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: MarkBsnr
>>Protestants do not do as such because they think that they have a pass on such matters ie. that Jesus was just for the Jews and that Paul told them that they do not have do anything at all other than stand still long enough to have salvation pour down upon them.<<

That ridiculous response doesn’t even deserve more thought then to let you know that I don’t believe that you have any idea of what the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is.

1,909 posted on 11/13/2011 2:01:57 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear
Not just this. Christ gave us more than 50 commandments, which your brethren either ignore or make fun of.

Prove it. Show us where any one made fun of Jesus' commandments or ignored them.

1,910 posted on 11/13/2011 2:05:14 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear
No, it is the difference between understanding the obligatory and ignoring the obvious. We do what we do because the Lord God Almighty told us to.

We do what we do in living a clean life because it's the natural outworking of the Spirit of God living in and through us.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Philippians 2:12-13 12Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

1,911 posted on 11/13/2011 2:09:19 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums; RnMomof7; daniel1212; annalex; ...
"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath annointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;"

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;" Isaiah 61:1,2.

************************************************************ "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath annoited me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised;"

"To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

"And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Luke 4:18-21.

************************************************************ Why did Christ NOT finish the words of Isaiah? Why did He close the book halfway through the verse? What about "and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;? That's why all eyes were fastened upon him. He did NOT finish the verse Isaiah had written. Did He just forget to read the rest of Is. 61:2? Or did He have a reason to stop mid-verse?

1,912 posted on 11/13/2011 2:21:33 PM PST by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: metmom

I believe that Catholics need to project a preconceived notion to make the deceit they have been under from the RCC palatable.


1,913 posted on 11/13/2011 2:23:14 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
>>The queen is not the (plural) wife; she is the mother of the King. Strike one.<<

Where did that come from? A deflection perhaps? I never said wife. And denying that Catholics teach that she is the queen of heaven is laughable at best.

The laughable thing is the understanding of queen.

No. It is thought possible but not taught as truth. Strike two.<<

You’re denying that the CC teaches that Mary was bodily assumed into heaven?

I am denying that the Church teaches that Mary was assumed in living form into Heaven.

>>Define speaking, before I can answer that.<<

Do you not speak to Mary when you pray the rosary?

I pray to Mary and the saints, sure.

>>We only carry the symbols of Christianity.<<

LOL Better go look at the symbols used in Baal worship. All symbols used in the CC originated in paganism.

Such as the fish symbol? Pagan. The Cross originated in Chaldea. Pagan. Shall we continue?

1,914 posted on 11/13/2011 2:37:50 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear

You mean that Mary is not the wife of the Holy Spirit? I thought I read somewhere that He is her husband.


1,915 posted on 11/13/2011 2:41:03 PM PST by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: Lera
All of them. And it seems that exactly none of you guys consider yourselves under ANY of them at all; you just get a pass to salvation because, well, you declare it.

So when you pray your rosary how many more prayers go to Mary than to your Creator ?

What does one have to do with the other? You guys consider yourselves as pre saved no matter what. My prayers to Mary and the Saints enter into the discussion how?

1,916 posted on 11/13/2011 2:41:57 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
"The laughable thing is the understanding of queen."

Even more laughable is the understanding of the king who has been effectively reduced to being merely the prophet who preceded St. Paul. (another parallel with Islam).

1,917 posted on 11/13/2011 2:42:20 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Lera
My my my according to them if we deny what scripture says we are impious and blasphemous

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Correct. We thank you for your example.

1,918 posted on 11/13/2011 2:42:58 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
I AM the church and so submit to Christ.

Oh goody. I thought that I AM was God. Perhaps in your universe, you are God, which is my opinion of the legacy of the Reformation. Thank you for the confirmation.

Which claim is really ironic coming from Catholics who object to how they claim non-Catholics make Scripture equal to Christ because they are both called the word of God.

Evidently you have not read the first chapter of John in depth. I believe that I have recommended it to you numerous times. Perhaps you might leave snippets of Paul and actually read the Gospels.

1,919 posted on 11/13/2011 2:46:45 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: presently no screen name
Exactly. The CHURCH I attend SUBMITS to Jesus Christ. I don't submit to the church. If any in/of the church are wrong - we bring them to God's Word and show them where they are wrong.

Fantastic. I'm surprised that you need God at all, given your omniscience.

Catholicism is backward in it's teachings - the result of not believing God's Word is The Final Authority. 'Man' before God leads to destruction.

If you read your post, you rely totally on man.

1,920 posted on 11/13/2011 2:48:51 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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