Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism

The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

[TexConfederate1861]

Yep. :)

[TexConfederate1861]

I stand corrected. It was the Council of Hippo, and Council of Carthage.

[TexConfederate1861]

As I stated earlier, These books were included for teaching and instruction. They are not held at the same level. hence “deutero-canonical”

[CynicalBear]

The work is maintaining your faith.

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

[TexConfederate1861]

and by the way, it doesn’t matter WHICH council, the statement is the same. The Holy Spirit guided those putting it together. A little different from Puritans fearing Popery, that decided to toss out whatever.....

[CynicalBear]

>> Why is that so difficult for the children of the Reformation?<<

It’s not. It’s the reasons and impetus for living a clean life. Catholics do them under obligation and non Catholics do them by the nature of the Spirit within them. It’s the difference of walking in the flesh and walking in the Spirit.

[count-your-change]

No disagreement there. The “laying on of hands” was a physical, visible way of showing a man's appointment, still is to some extent. Like pouring oil on the head, anointing kings.

Paul first had hands laid upon him by Ananias in Damascus when Paul was baptized. (Acts 9:10-19)

After Paul returned from Tarsus he went to Antioch and after spending a year there it was the disciples there that sent Paul and Barnabas with relief supplies to the older men in Judea. (Acts 11:25-30)

Paul and Barnabas returned to Antioch and it was here that the holy spirit said that Paul and Barnabas had a special assignment and the disciples laid hands on the two, sending them off. (Acts 13:1-3)

As Paul defended his apostleship to the Galatians, he said he did not go up to Jerusalem for approval of the apostles and older men but to inform them of his revelation and appointment by God. And they gave Paul “their right hand of partnership”. (Gal. 2:1-10)

So when did the Council in Jerusalem lay hands on Paul?

[CynicalBear]

>>The queen is not the (plural) wife; she is the mother of the King. Strike one.<<

Where did that come from? A deflection perhaps? I never said wife. And denying that Catholics teach that she is the queen of heaven is laughable at best.

>>No. It is thought possible but not taught as truth. Strike two.<<

You’re denying that the CC teaches that Mary was bodily assumed into heaven? Are you getting a little shaky in your support for what they teach or what? They have dedicated the entire month of May to her just like the pagans did. Isn’t the assumption of Mary a dogma that the CC says “must be believed”? Note: By promulgating the Bull Munificentissimus Deus, 1 November, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared infallibly that the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary was a dogma of the Catholic Faith. Likewise, the Second Vatican Council taught in the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium that "the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, when her earthly life was over, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm]

Today, the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is universal in the East and in the West; according to Benedict XIV (De Festis B.V.M., I, viii, 18) it is a probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous. [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm]

>>Define speaking, before I can answer that.<<

Do you not speak to Mary when you pray the rosary?

>>We only carry the symbols of Christianity.<<

LOL Better go look at the symbols used in Baal worship. All symbols used in the CC originated in paganism.

>>I don't want you out. I want you in.<<

All cults do. I can assure you that there is no way I will ever be affiliated with the RCC in any way.

[Lera]

As I stated earlier, These books were included for teaching and instruction. They are not held at the same level. hence “deutero-canonical”>

Books full of historical errors and errors that blatantly go against scripture only qualify for teaching material if you WANT your teachings to go against scripture.

[Alamo-Girl]

It's the same thing spiritually. The hungering and thirsting after righteousness can never be satisfied apart from Jesus. HE is our bread of life and our living water of life. Without him, there is no satisfaction in this life and utter despair in the next - the eternal one. I praise and thank God every day for his "unspeakable" gift - that he gave us eternal life - through Jesus Christ, our LORD.

Amen, dear sister in Christ, Amen!!!

Thank you so much for your glorious testimony!

[Lera]

All of them. And it seems that exactly none of you guys consider yourselves under ANY of them at all; you just get a pass to salvation because, well, you declare it.


So when you pray your rosary how many more prayers go to Mary than to your Creator ?

Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Luk 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread. Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Gee wonder why He didn't mention any prayer to Mary?
Could it be ??????

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Do you think our Creator changed his mind about shared worship since the following were written by his finger in stone?

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

Deu 4:23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.
Deu 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deu 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
Deu 6:15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

Am I going to hear about how all that Old Testament stuff is just for the Jews and not for Christians in one breath and in another in a post further down the road how apocrypha belongs in the Bible ?

Oh and as to your question ....

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

[Lera]

You’re denying that the CC teaches that Mary was bodily assumed into heaven? Are you getting a little shaky in your support for what they teach or what? They have dedicated the entire month of May to her just like the pagans did. Isn’t the assumption of Mary a dogma that the CC says “must be believed”? Note: By promulgating the Bull Munificentissimus Deus, 1 November, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared infallibly that the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary was a dogma of the Catholic Faith. Likewise, the Second Vatican Council taught in the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium that "the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, when her earthly life was over, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm]

Today, the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is universal in the East and in the West; according to Benedict XIV (De Festis B.V.M., I, viii, 18) it is a probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous. [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm]


My my my according to them if we deny what scripture says we are impious and blasphemous

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Maybe it's time for me to get new glasses again because I just don't see an exemption for Mary in that verse .

[metmom]

Is the trail of blood left by the Roman Catholic church is how they loved their neighbors as themselves ?

Ooops......

[oilwatcher]

The Catholic Church belief is that Mary was born without the taint of original sin, not that she remained sinless in her life. That’s what Immaculate Conception means.

[metmom]

If you do not submit to the Church, you do not submit to Christ.

I AM the church and so submit to Christ.

I submit to Christ, not the *Church* by which you apparently mean Catholicism. If my choice is to submit to Catholicism or Christ, I choose Christ

Do not conflate the two because they are NOT the same thing.

The Roman Catholic church ≠ Christ.

Which claim is really ironic coming from Catholics who object to how they claim non-Catholics make Scripture equal to Christ because they are both called the word of God.

[presently no screen name]

If you do not submit to the Church, you do not submit to Christ........I AM the church and so submit to Christ.

Exactly. The CHURCH I attend SUBMITS to Jesus Christ. I don't submit to the church. If any in/of the church are wrong - we bring them to God's Word and show them where they are wrong. God's Word is The Final Authority. Catholicism is backward in it's teachings - the result of not believing God's Word is The Final Authority. 'Man' before God leads to destruction.

[TexConfederate1861]

Apparently the men who decided the canon didn’t think so. I will trust THEIR judgement.....

[TexConfederate1861]

I disagree. “One cannot have God as his father, who does not have The Holy Catholic Church as his mother!”

St. Cyprian of Carthage. 357 AD

[TexConfederate1861]

Without the guidance of the Holy Church, your interpretation is flawed.

[TexConfederate1861]

Without the guidance of the Holy Church, your interpretation is flawed.