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Posted on 10/03/2011 10:29:41 PM PDT by ReformationFan
You are absolutely right.
Thank you, metmom.
REVEALING STATISTICS (or, Present Costs of the War Against God)
LINCOLN'S PROCLAMATION of a NATIONAL FAST DAY
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE (conservative analysis)
I differ with your causal relationship, and see the effects of the evangelical gospel of regeneration as being conducive to smaller government, by bringing souls to be controlled from within so that they need not be controlled from without*, as well as being less prone to give implicit trust in man**, or victim mentality socialism***, while promoting individual volitional charity****.
*Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or the bayonet. - Robert Winthrop (May 12, 1809 – November 16, 1894), and Speaker of the House from 1838 to 1840, and later president of the Massachusetts Bible
** “It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.” (Psalms 118:8-9)
Society,
***”For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.” (2Thes. 3:10)
****”As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.” (Galatians 6:10)
This is true. America is an anomaly among the nations, with the effects of the gospel being the sublime but key aspect enabling stability with freedom to do much good.
Take a rich country rich with natural resources, place within is a vast multitudes of people from various countries and ethnicity, with a minimum of government and you will normally find anarchy or great oppression. This did happen to some degree, but i believe as the gospel was felt then it worked toward morality, self-control, self-reliance, virtue, charity, and liberty with necessary limits, creativity, even if not universally subscribed to.
But as we cast off the mind of Christ and the lust of the flesh, we are reaping the corruption thereof, and electing princes but not by God, who reflect a different gospel.
In a democracy, the government is governed by the people, and unwise decisions in the polling booth are soon reflected in unwise policy, And the devil has his disciples, and understands that the principal, “raise up a child in the way he should go..,” also works if they are raised up in a way they should not go. See http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/CauseEffect.html and http://conservapedia.com/Moral_decline
While Carnegie may have done that, even the Unitarian (a religion that effectively denies Christ and the Divine authority of the Bible, but, unlike its immoral form today, at that time it at least overall upheld general Biblical morality) “Father of the Common School,” Horace Mann (May 4, 1796 — August 02, 1859), who became Massachusetts Secretary of Education in 1837, not only understood the impossibility of separating education from religious moral beliefs, but held that it was lawful to teach the truths of the general Christian faith, asserting that the “laws of Massachusetts required the teaching of the basic moral doctrines of Christianity.” Mann, who supported prohibition of alcohol and intemperance, slavery and lotteries, (http://www.famousamericans.net/horacemann) dreaded “intellectual eminence when separated from virtue”, that education, if taught without moral responsibilities, would produce more evil than it inherited. (William Jeynes, “American educational history: school, society, and the common good,” p. 149, 150)
To critics who were alarmed at the concept of secular schools, he assured that his system “inculcates all Christian morals; it founds its morals on the basis of religion; it welcomes the religion of the Bible...,” but he did exhort that Bible reading be without comment to discourage sectarian bickering. (Mann, Twelfth Annual Report for 1848 of the Secretary of the Board of Education of Massachusetts. Reprinted in Blau 183-84.
Government schooling has** never** been religiously neutral. Why? Answer: Because a religiously neutral education is impossible.
Our earliest government schools offered up a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. We know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth.
By my grandmother's day ( born 1894) her Philadelphia government schools were godlessly secular with occasional nods to God in the morning prayer and other events.
By the mid-1960s they were utterly godless. Children who attend godless schools **must** learn to think and reason godless merely to cooperate with classroom and home assignments.
Translation: Mann wanted education that was lukewarm, generic, with Bible reading without comment.
So?...What do the students in this environment learn? Answer: They learn to be generic, lukewarm, and noncommittal regarding their faith.
What does Christ do with the lukewarm? Answer: He spits them out of His mouth!
Yes, the origin is Christians. They, and their churches, have failed to be salt and light to their most important and **urgent** mission field: Their children!
A Christian's **most** important and urgent mission is his own children! His next most important mission is the children of his own congregation.
By sending children into government schools that in the beginning were lukewarm and generic, then secular ( with a nod to God), and now utterly godless, Christians are failing at their most important task as Christians.
Very good point.
I attended a well-known Catholic college and graduated in 1974. Even then the liberal arts departments ( and some of the sciences) were stuffed full to the brim with Liberation Theologists who worshiped Marx before genuflecting and bowing their heads to God. The men ( and a few women) in these faculty positions were **not** hippies they were the ages of my father and grandmother, so it's been a problem since the early 20th century.
And until we can deal with the source of the brainwashing of our youth - the education system controlled by Marxist/atheists - all we do is only putting a band-aid on our problems.
The source of the education system is actually higher education, where all the “lower education” teachers are taught and brainwashed themselves......
I have yet to see/hear ANY CONSERVATIVE address this and provide a solution........EVER!
I'm not sure that Salmon Khan is a conservative, but he has blazed an educational pathway by generating a curriculum delivery system, and is building a curriculum. Khan Acadamy provides the curriculum for free, on its web site. It appears to be a new paradigm in education, in that the student can absorb the lecture at his own pace at home, and the classroom time can dispense with lecture and be fully dedicated to what is conventionally "homework." I'm fascinated by the approach, and while I'm certain that it is susceptible of some improvement, I also sense that it is a disruptive technology in education.I see no reason why conservatives couldn't apply the Khan approach, and possibly improve on his implementation. It could make effective and efficient homeschooling practical for children whose parents have weak academic backgrounds.
True. Wife and I, both former public school teachers, home-schooled our 8; eldest was first home-schooled student admitted to major university, got 5 year full ride, graduated summa cum laude with 2 dual major degrees (=4): B.S. in Computer Science & Math, B.A. in Physics & Greek. Another is civil engineer...
Congrats appreciated, but not due. All credit goes to the Lord - it was all His grace, strength, and mercy. Kids aren’t perfect.....wife & I see our many failures in raising them (tho we were determined before we had them to be perfect parents) as we see the weaknesses in their lives. All great in the eyes of the world and true believers, but far from perfect.
Our trust is not in anything we did, but that He will redeem all of our failures as parents.....Rom. 8:28, 29
I’ll have to dig through my bookmarks and figure it out. It’s one of those things I got to while looking at one thing, came across another, then one that commented about Nast and his artwork on political topics, etc. I’ll try and find it for you and send you an email. I’m pretty sure it was a site that has artwork for sale rather than a University collection but I do recall them saying they were reprints from a collection that had been donated to a University. I guess the question would be whether the recipient kept some in storage for historical reasons and didn’t display them or displays all of them, right?
Regards
Thanks for the ping!
“The tendency is to hold that this system must be altogether secular. The atheistic doctrine is gaining currency, even among professed Christians and even among some bewildered Christian ministers, that an education provided by the common government for the children of diverse religious parties should be entirely emptied of all religious character. The Protestants object to the government schools being used for the purpose of inculcating the doctrines of the Catholic church, and Romanists object to the use of the Protestant version of the Bible and to the inculcation of the peculiar doctrines of the Protestant churches. The Jews protest against the schools being used to inculcate Christianity in any form, and the atheists and agnostics protest against any teaching that implies the existence and moral government of God. It is capable of exact demonstration that if every party in the State has the right of excluding from the public schools whatever he does not believe to be true, then he that believes most must give way to him that believes least, and then he that believes least must give way to him the believes absolutely nothing, no matter in how small a minority the atheists and the agnostics may be. It is self-evident that on this scheme, if it is consistently and persistently carried out in all parts of the country, the United States system of national popular education will be the most efficient and wide instrument for the propagation of atheism which the world has ever seen.” Puritan Father Dr. A.A. Hodge 1890
“I am as sure as I am of the fact of Christ’s reign that a comprehensive and centralized system of national education separated from religion, as is now commonly proposed,will prove the most appalling enginery for the propagation of anti-Christian and atheistic unbelief, and of anti-social, nihilistic 4. ethics, individual, social, and political, which this sin-rent world has ever seen.” Puritan Father Dr. A.A. Hodge 1890
Good read:
http://hisways.org/about/others-AtheismEngine.htm
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