Posted on 10/01/2011 5:51:45 AM PDT by kindred
Your Catholism may be blinding you to the truth of the Scriptures which is God’s Word without man’s tradition mixed in, therefore one must understand ‘Sola Scriptura’.
John 5:39:
39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Acts 17:11:
11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
You’d need the mark of the beast to buy or sell anything.
The more that go, the less there are, the more beer for me.
He is like a lion, leopard and a bear. Which kingdoms/kings in history identified with these?
Here's the main problem with this theory: If sincere believers are NOT raptured they will go along with anything because they figure that they'll be gone before things get too bad. Meanwhile they'll be like frogs in a pot...tolerating and accepting all kinds of things because they figure they would be gone if it really were bad.
When Jesus Christ does return it will be, paraphrasing Him, unmistakable. It will be no secret and nobody will be wondering what happened.
Watching for Him Him to take His bride home. Maybe today.
1 Thessalonians 4
13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
I Corithians 15:
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
What!!! No desire for Orange Chicken (extra EXTRA hot) or Pepperoni, onion, garlic and Anchovy Pizza?
Have you lost your mind?
Revelation speaks a literal Being (or Beast, which is often refered to as the Anti Christ in capital letters.) that kills the 2 witnesses but Revelation also describes a “beast system” comprising of false prophet, beast, and Image of the beast that all are forced to worship(like Nebuchednezzar’s “god” that Shadrach and his companions refused to bow down to) as well as the “mark” comprising the basis of that hideous economic system coming into play at that time.
So when folks speak of THE ANTI CHRIST(as opposed to one of many antichrists who are in the world already infested by that one Spirit of ANTICHRIST), they are using the terms interchangebly with THE BEAST, THE MAN OF SIN, THE SON OF PERDITION, all names of that One which will work with the False Prophet who performs false wonders in the presence of the Beast and causing the Image of the Beast to speak as though it were a man.
The Beast system is an unholy trinity of sorts empowered by the Devil himself. The BEAST himself mocks Christ’s Christs death and resurrection. The Beast does so by seeming to suffer a mortal wound then coming back to life again deceiving many in the world. God of course has given over the world to delusion so that it becomes difficult to see thru the deceit of this “event”; though the Bible says many will and will be martyred for their faith in the REAL CHRIST!
right kindred, we shall all be changed at the LAST TRUMPET. That is the true return of Christ and then he destroys everything. No one lives from that point.
Please pray that God open your eyes to the truth. Things are going to get very bad before He returns and He wants you to be prepared. Isn’t it just like the devil to deceive us into believing we’ll miss all the hards stuff??
Heh, heh, I wasn’t saying that God wouldn’t allow us to enjoy a good steak or “orange chicken”....it’s just that we probably wouldn’t miss it!
So that stuff in the old Testament about Messiah ruling out of Israel when all the nations would have to go up to pay tribute each year, or all that stuff in Revelation about Christ ruling out of Jerusalem for a thousand years and Satan being chained away...does the destruction of all things occur befor or after all that?
HMMMMMMMMMM?
[The scriptures do NOT support anyone being removed before the tribulation. We will be sanctified and protected during that time but when Christ truly returns (trumps, all eyes see Him, etc) He will rapture us and immediately destroy the earth.]
Again, search the Scriptures. The body of Christ will be removed from the wrath of God precisely because they are the bride of Christ by grace through faith and are saved from wrath by Him, the church will be raptured and the Lord will work with Israel during the 7 year tribualtion to bring them to the knowledge of Jesus Christ as Messiah and God Almighty the Father will use the anti Christ himself to do His strange and mighty work during this period of 21 judgements, also known as the time of Jacobs trouble. Those who will be protected will be Israeli Jews who will flee into the wilderness where God will prepare a place and protect them from the man anti christ, the servant of Satan whom the world will adore and worship by recieving a mark in their hand or on their forehead.
At the end of the 7 year tribualtion, God the Father will send Jesus Christ to rule and reign on the earth for 1000 years as King of Kings and Lord of Lords and He will rule in His seat in Israel.
Then Lord Jesus will deliver up the Kingdom to God the Father and then Revelation teaches that the enemies of God during the 1000 year rule will return yet again under Satan himself, who will be realeased for a short time to deceive them again, who will surround the camp of the Saints, probalbly Jerusalem, and God Almighty will send fire from heaven that will burn the whole earth as described by the apostle Peter. This will be followed by the new heaven and the new earth with new Jerusalem descending from heaven itself, the work of God by Christ Jesus, where the saved saints and God will live in forever.
Search the Scriptues and you will see that it is truth indeed.
I’ve heard an explanation that the “last trumpet” might very well involve the 7th and last angel of Revelation when he blows his trumpet...but that’s just one explanation.
(So that stuff in the old Testament about Messiah ruling out of Israel when all the nations would have to go up to pay tribute each year, or all that stuff in Revelation about Christ ruling out of Jerusalem for a thousand years and Satan being chained away...does the destruction of all things occur befor or after all that?)
After the 1000 year rule of Jesus Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Satan will be released from his place in the Abyss that God put him into, then he will once again deceive the deceived of the earth who have enjoyed the Kingdom rule of Christ for 1000 years and gather them together for the final war against God and Christ and God will burn the earth as Peter the aposltle foresaw. Then the new heavens and the new earth comes down from God out of heaven and so begins eternity with God reconciled to mankind in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour and God.
[Revelation speaks a literal Being (or Beast, which is often refered to as the Anti Christ in capital letters.) that kills the 2 witnesses but Revelation also describes a “beast system” comprising of false prophet, beast, and Image of the beast that all are forced to worship(like Nebuchednezzar’s “god” that Shadrach and his companions refused to bow down to) as well as the “mark” comprising the basis of that hideous economic system coming into play at that time.]
Amen to that.
Before. Don’t presume to know all of God’s details. But there will be a NEW heaven and a NEW earth. Where he keeps Satan chained is His place to know. What Jerusalem is too.
You must admit (I pray) that there has to be a whole lot of reading between the lines to deduce he comes back secretly first and then 7 years later it’s unmistakable. There is NO scripture that supports an early rapture. Only erroneous interpretations.
Kindred,
I HAVE searched the scriptures. You’ve hit on exactly what the problem is with those that believer we get raptured secretly and early; a misinterpretation of what WRATH means. Wrath is God’s destruction, not the tribulation. He raptures us before he destroys the earth. It’s clear in the scriptures that this is so.
We have been living in tribulation since the beginning of time and God has never removed any of us. Those that have died are still ‘asleep’; dead.
Enoch and Elijah were “removed.”. Many are of the opinion that they will be the two winesses of Revelation.
Can I have your power tools after you’re raptured?
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