Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
See post 3840
I always have to remember the people that were with Paul, who was still Saul at that time, did not understand the words that Jesus spoke when He appeared to Saul. His words are only understood by those He has called. It is the only way I can understand in my mind the inability of some to understand Him. It’s why I stop debating with some.
Well said.
It kind of depends on whether you see communion as the Eucharist, the actual, physical consuming of the body and blood of Christ and that it's necessary for salvation....
or not....
I see both baptism and communion as physical representations of spiritual realities, instituted for us because we humans need to have stuff kept before us and it's a great word picture reminding us of what we have experienced spiritually.
I (and I think bb and others) do not believe that these physical ceremonies CAUSE the spiritual reality to happen. The spiritual reality is a done deal. These show to the world what they are in terms that people can understand. We were commanded by Christ Himself to take communion *in remembrance* of Him and show His death until He comes- a word picture conveying both His first and second coming.
Thank you.
Water is symbolic of the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is symbolic of the baptism of the Holy Spirit each believer undergoes when he is saved.
It is a statement to the world by the believer of his commitment to Jesus Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as a result of that commitment.
If length of adherence to a belief is your criteria it seems to me that paganism is older then the Catholic Church.
Just a reminder: there’s an important difference between “physical” and “real.”
Mind reading much?
On the contrary, names would be a good start, and providing a link so that it could be verified.
So it is the Catholic Church that you think saves. You think one has to belong to an earthly organization. Wow!
I do recognize that.
This is another instance of people saying the Catholic Church’s teaching is something other than what it is.
I think, CAWW, that there is a kind of “prejudice without malice aforethought. We do NOT have the nerve to think we can CAUSE the sacramental presence as though we were magicians conjuring our familiar. Yet we can say “’Real’ not ‘physical’,” and so forth more than seven times a day and it will make no difference at all. Our testimony is considered tainted before we open our mouths.
Then why the teaching that water baptism and consuming the Eucharist are necessary for salvation?
Those are both physical acts. The spiritual reality is that by my faith in Christ and abiding in Him, I have partook of His body and blood, and by having believed I have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
My water baptism did not cause me to be saved, IOW, bring it to pass. It reflects the spiritual reality I experienced.
It's a pity you guys don't read the scriptures...If you did, you wouldn't have to make these false stories up...
Were you a born again, bible reading, bible believing Protestant for those 61 years???
Amen. Like unto His glorious body. Amen
Apparently they think he was...I am truly amazed that they never changed John's name...John the Catholic...
It’s amazing how much information one can receive from Scripture IF THEY WOULD JUST READ IT. How about reading at least the Chapter associated with the question asked? But no, they look for a highlighted word or two, then apply it to their tradition to see if those things were so...The Bereans were NOT Catholic, FOR SURE!>>>>
If we can not find your broad and deep support in the scripture for your tradition and magisterium, neither can you...It ain't there...
But for any on your side who want to dispute our side's idea of timelessness and time, I'd encourage a study of the tenses of Biblical Hebrew. Think about a language with only two tenses, both of which will sometimes be translated with our past, present, and future tenses.
We don't need to...It's already been done by countless persons...All we have to do is read their stuff...
So which tense did the Hebrews/God leave out of their language??? Past, present or future...How could they carry on a conversation???
"We go hunt. Get big deer. Make happy for us. We build Parthenon. Make happy for us...".
And this is one of the best they got...A catechist; a teacher of the mysterious Catholic catechism...A Greek and Hebrew scholar...
But they don't even know the simplest things of the bible...
What's interesting to me is quite a number of Catholic on FR can tell all kinds of things about the bible, ie.,
Peter did not write Acts. In fact the author of Acts is not known, but many speculate that it was written by the same person that wrote all or parts of Luke. Its writing is concurrent with the Letters of Paul and was certainly influenced by him.
They can tell us what they were taught ABOUT the bible but they don't KNOW any bible...Seems all their time was spent learning about the bible but not learning the bible...
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