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The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin
The Church Fathers ^ | 120AD-450AD

Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Judith Anne

Thanks for the clarity, JA, and bless ya!


301 posted on 06/01/2011 12:26:50 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: metmom

Agreed! Thank you metmom for the appropriate scriptures. My Dad likes to tell my Mom that Eve sinned first. We all know the truth and Dad has dementia so we let him be and do not try to explain it to him. We just love him for who he is.


302 posted on 06/01/2011 12:26:50 PM PDT by marbren
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To: RnMomof7

Mat 15:11 “What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ “


303 posted on 06/01/2011 12:28:28 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: helloandgoodbye
Christians eat pork-chops all the time - it doesn't make them “unclean”.

One is not made unclean by what they put into their mouth (although washing your hands IS a good way to avoid catching a cold - and other less savory things) - but by what comes out of it.

305 posted on 06/01/2011 12:38:59 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: RnMomof7

No Catholic says Mary is a goddess. Stop implying otherwise. Mary is holy because Christ is Holy. I don’t understand why so many Protestants on here believe it was no big deal for Mary to carry the Great I Am in her womb. It was special. It marked her with a singular honor and grace. It shows the great work of God in the most humble of human beings. That is what sets her apart. His grace and favor. Not her own doings.


306 posted on 06/01/2011 12:40:25 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: helloandgoodbye
“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

Pork-chops enter the mouth - goes into the stomach and them comes out of the body. it does not come from or go to the heart.

This is a principle that Jesus repeated twice, with the admonition that the first time should have been enough! It wasn't just about washing hands - it was a philosophical and theological break from Jewish tradition.

307 posted on 06/01/2011 12:43:35 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: presently no screen name

These Fathers learned their faith from those who personally knew the Apostles. Yet you believe you have the superior knowledge. Truly Protestantism of a certain type is full of arrogant pups.


309 posted on 06/01/2011 12:46:25 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: helloandgoodbye
A big difference between stoning an adulterous woman to death and advising the crowd that “He who is without sin should cast the first stone”. Jesus fulfilled the law and created a new covenant.

Jesus repeated the principle of ‘what goes into the mouth doesn't defile, but what comes out does’ twice - apparently twice wasn't enough for some - “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked- so maybe he should have repeated it a third time?

310 posted on 06/01/2011 12:49:05 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: helloandgoodbye

Jesus was Jewish.


311 posted on 06/01/2011 12:49:58 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: presently no screen name

VERY WELL PUT.

I think most Christians of any flavor wrestle with various levels of idolatry that Holy Spirit works to weed out of our lives.

However, the INSTITUTIONALIZED and horrific degrees and levels of such sanctioned idolatry pretending to be righteous in the Vatican Cult is extraordinarily destructive to millions of unwitting victims.


313 posted on 06/01/2011 12:52:41 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mlizzy; Salvation

Worse, some act as if Jesus, Himself, was dismissive of her and treated her with disdain.


314 posted on 06/01/2011 12:55:15 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Judith Anne

Do not lay pearls before swine.


315 posted on 06/01/2011 12:55:55 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Birther noobie - Wouldn't ya like to be called this too?)
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To: mlizzy; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...

NOPE.

I don’t think that’s an accurate explanation at all.

I think it’s far more likely that such attractions to the Rosary are a common fixation on a farmiliar object that has a very human aura of MOTHER DEAREST about it—something comforting, rosey, idyllic, manipulatable.

In the end . . . idolatrous—an object that has taken on an aura of magic—even in the minds of non-RC’s.


316 posted on 06/01/2011 12:57:00 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: helloandgoodbye
Because swine was not generally eaten in that area by any of the local people.

Do you think a Christian makes them-self unclean by eating a pork chop?

The vast majority of the Christian world seems to disagree with your interpretation.

So why do you think Jesus needed to repeat it twice?

“Are you still so dull?”

317 posted on 06/01/2011 1:00:37 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Judith Anne

You are quite right.

But, if one feels one must mount a defense, posts should be kept simple.

We need to keep from falling into the traps laid for us.


318 posted on 06/01/2011 1:01:22 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: caww

It all starts with

“Did God REALLY (actually) say....?”

It goes to show the hazard of not correctly knowing the Word of God.

Psalm 119:11 I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.


320 posted on 06/01/2011 1:03:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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