Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow
I understand. Perhaps so.
However, I’m happy to extend peace and graciousness where I can with those calling themselves “Christian” regardless of our differences . . . at least to a point.
I last read whoever he is in 1970. I had him — okay, a BOOK of his —in my backpack in the Colorado Rockies.
As far as your book goes, include some recipes. That always draws a crowd. Do you have a title yet? Perhaps I can help:
Repetition Recipes and Rituals.
The Rosary and Sacred Scripture
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.
Luke 1:28 “And coming to her, he said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you.”
The Greek kecharitomene means favored by grace, graced. Its tense suggests a permanent state of being “highly favored,” thus full of grace. Charity, the divine love within us, comes from the same root. God is infinite Goodness, infinite Love. Mary is perfect created goodness, filled to the limit of her finite being with grace or charity.
Blessed art thou among women
Luke 1:41-42a “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women...”
Luke 1:48 “For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.”
Among all women is a way to say the highest/greatest etc. of a group in Semitic languages (these words would likely have been spoken in Aramaic). Mary is being called the greatest of all women, greater than Ruth, greater than Sarah, greater than EVE! Since Eve was created immaculate (without original sin), Mary must have been conceived immaculate. And, although Eve fell into sin by her own free will, Mary must have corresponded to God’s grace and remained sinless. She could not otherwise be greater than Eve. Thus, as the Fathers of the Church unanimously assert, Mary is the New Eve who restores womanhood to God’s original intention and cooperates with the New Adam, her Son, for the Redemption of the world.
Blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus
Luke 1:42b “and blessed is the fruit of your womb.”
Jesus is Mary’s fruit. Good fruit does not come from anything but a good tree (Mt. 7:17-18)! The all-holy Son of God could not be the fruit of any other tree than the Immaculate Virgin.
Holy Mary, Mother of God
Luke 1:43 “And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Kyrios is the Greek word used by the Jews in the Septuagint Bible (Greek translation) for Yhwh, the Divine Name of God. In her greeting of Mary, Elizabeth is saying: “How is it that the mother of my God should come to me.” Against the heresies of the 4th and 5th centuries which tried to split the Person of Jesus into two, divine and human, denying one or the other, the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD proclaimed Mary Theotokos (God-bearer, i.e. mother of God). Jesus is a single Person, a Divine Person, the 2nd Person of the Most Holy Trinity. To be mother of the Person Jesus is to be mother of a Person who is God. Mary’s title protects this truth against errors which emphasize or deny, either the divinity or humanity of the Lord.
Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
Luke 2:35 “...and you yourself a sword will pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”
John 2:5 “His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.”
Mary sees a need and appeals to Her Son to satisfy it. He does. We turn to Mary to ask her to intercede with her Son in our daily spiritual and material needs, but especially at the hour of our death. At that moment our salvation hangs in the balance as the devil makes his final foray to deter us from the path to God (Rev. 2:10). It is not surprising, therefore, that both the Hail Mary and the Our Father conclude with an appeal to be delivered from the evil one.
LOL
Maybe I’ve forgotten that you were colorblind.
There might be a version using a different color. I don’t recall.
I know some use a variety of colors for Christ’s words, prophecy etc. Though I suspect that red is always reserved for Christ’s words.
Hey, Bro, someone asserted at lunch the other day that there are more OT prophecies about Christ’s 2nd Coming and/or rapture than there are about His first coming.
Have you discovered that in your studies?
I came across and odd claim the other day . . .
That Elvis had made a pact with the devil or the PTB or some such that resulted in his fame.
He started out an Assembly of God preacher’s son.
Sigh.
In a rush.
Won’t read that mass of text unless you ask me to.
What part of the Rockies?
On of the great phrases from the OT that rolls around my alleged mind I haven’t reckoned up the mentions but much of the OT is very “pointed” toward the eschaton, methinks.
Thanks. And PTB? Not sure what that is ...
Around Maroon Bells, does that sound right? We started a 4 week trip (with resupply) at Marble and, well, it was a gas.
I motorcycled fromLong Island to Colorado to go to Outward Bound. I wanted to gain self-confidence. About halfway through I realized “If you motorcycle from New York to Colorado, self-confidence probably isn’t your problem.”
You don’t have to read it if you PROMISE to buy my book — I should get a dog and a pipe for the picture on the back cover, right?
Darn, now I HAVE to write it ...
On of the great phrases from the OT that rolls around my alleged mind
Shoud have ended is "In that day," vaYom haHu.
As in, "In that day all typos will be cleared away, and the righteous will no longer need to proofread."
But, I say again, you may be risking judging by the outward appearance and not as the Lord judges. You seem only to hear the drone of the little old ladies and to forget that they have an interior.
If Salvation posted the "Recipe" then it's a safe bet that the context included the meditation on the mysteries. So you posted an incomplete description of the Rosary. So an opinion of what the Rosary actually is is incomplete if it is confined to what you posted.
As I don't believe saying a rosary can help me out if I lie ....
What is this "help me out" stuff? Do you guys only pray to get stuff? Don't you ever just enjoy being with God and thinking about him? That's why I pray the Rosary, to enjoy God and to spend time with him. That's pretty much the same reason I pray the LOTH.
Christianity is more than a matter of the bottom line, you know. It's about "the delights at his right hand forevermore." It's about one day in his courts being better than a thousand elsewhere, and so forth.
I'll stick with "bitter mockery," a bitterness so sharp that it seems to prevent responding to what is written in reply to your posts.
Did you ask this question for it to be answered? I answered, or tried to.
Is this not how the rosary works? That would CERTAINLY be a "help me out father" circumstance. And I would assume that a lie is a sin. Which would require at least half a rosary being said for absolution.
It doesn't matter. Complete Rosary. Incomplete Rosary. They are your repetitions, not mine.
"Get stuff"?? Too ludicrous for my time.
You pray the Rosary to enjoy God and spend time with him. Guess what, MD, there's another way to enjoy God and spend time with him. It's called Going Directly to God, where Christ is our Mediator. Not a bracelet of Mary.
Have a good one.
Similarly, to say,"The Rosary is....," and then give a description of a method of the recitation, is is to miss what the Rosary is in favor of what it looks like to someone not praying it.
Lovers, spouses, make love not just with certain bodily organs but with their hearts and minds. People praying the Rosary are engaging their hearts and minds in a way which cannot be seen and is entirely missed if all one notes is the prayers.
I hope that's clearer.
That is NOT how the Rosary works. It is also NOT how confession works. Penance does not earn or 'get' absolution.
Confession, IF one uses the rite, begins "Bless me father for I have sinned," which is an appeal for a prayer to help one make a good confession.
And not every penance includes Aves. Once the priest told me to pick a psalm (I picked ps 32) and spend some time with it. Other times it has been a suggestion to change a behavior.
In any event I don't do a penance to get stuff, or to be forgiven. I do a penance to live into the experience of sin, contrition, and forgiveness. God isn't impressed by my penances, such as they are. And Penance is not given "for absolution." This is a LOT of misinformation and foreign to my experience.
And I would assume that a lie is a sin. Which would require at least half a rosary being said for absolution.
You would assume mistakenly. Certainly a lie is a sin, but a penance is not REQUIRED for absolution and the penance does not work off sin. Sometimes I'll discuss with my confessor what a helpful or appropriate penance might be. Might be a Psalm, might be any number of things.
"Get stuff"?? Too ludicrous for my time.
Well maybe you are more important than I and your time more valuable than mine. I do try, when I make an accusation, to have the time to listen to the defense. But you seemed to insist that one prays the Rosary to 'get' something. That's what prompted the question. Even the post to which I am responding seems to insist on a quid pro quo approach to prayer, while it displayed a misunderstanding of nearly everything about "reconciliation".
Guess what, MD, there's another way to enjoy God and spend time with him.
Again assumptions. One is that I do not enjoy God in other ways or do not know of other ways. Another is that the Rosary is not going to God directly -- from someone who knows that the Lord's Prayer is part of the Rosary.
"bracelet of Mary"? You are just confirming my remark about "bitter mockery".
And you have not responded to my example of "meditating" on mystery.
I say to many atheists that I do not believe in the God they say they don't believe in. I say to many Protestants that I am not a member of the Catholic Church they describe. And I will say to you that, so far, what you have called the Rosary is not what I pray.
But it seems that you have already made up your mind about what the Rosary is or what it is to pray the Rosary or when it is prayed. (And you also have some bad information about confession and penances.)
So I don't know what you are attacking, but it's not the Church I go to.
In addition to being taken to task for the LOTH and our reliance on frequent reading of the Psalms, now a practice in which 18 of the prescribed areas of meditation are taken directly from Scripture is also, if imprecisely, attacked. Catholics are first told we do not rely enough on Scripture and then told that their prayerful time with the Bible or stories from the Bible somehow doesn't count or, even, doesn't even exist.
It's always interesting.
Does the Catholic Church offer a partial indulgence, the removal of part of the temporal punishment due to sin, to Catholics who pray the Rosary?
Sorry, I did not include the Catechism paragraphs when I asked you the RC101 question. They would be 971, 1674, and 2708.
However just because eating peanut butter makes me fat does not mean I eat to in order to get fat. Similarly just because praying the Rosary may get me an indulgence does not mean I pray the Rosary to get an indulgence.
Indulgences do not loom large in my legend. I don't think about them.
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