The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin

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[Quix]

I’ve tried LOTS.

IF AND WHEN one of y’all puts what I said AND MEANT accurately in y’all’s own words . . .

Perhaps

then

I’ll try and restart a dialogue.

I try to limit my head on brick walls more on Sunday.

[Mad Dawg]

Good to see your watching Quix's back against us bad guys

Quix is a friend

...And which post would that be???

2199

[Quix]

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NOPE!

Not by a long shot. Certainly not true in my case nor in the case of any Proddys I'm aware of.

[Quix]

Perhaps you missed this part . . .

I realize that God knows every sparrow that falls . . . and the number of hairs on every head.

I was talking about prioritized FOCUS.

Of course I believe God is infinite in a long list of respects.

If one thinks that God does NOT prioritieze HIS focus—particularly in His RELATIONSHIP with HIS KIDS,

then I’d suspect that person had not read any of the Bible at all.

[Quix]

Nonsense on a list of counts.

Christ put the whole

looming ISHTAR-MARY farce in proper perspective when he said

MY MOTHER, BROTHERS, SISTERS

ARE THOSE WHO

DO

THE WILL OF MY FATHER.

[Quix]

Of course all Scripture is true.

I don’t know that we can articulate very robustly about what that verse MEANS.

Jesse Duplantis’ Heaven visit revealed a visual experience at The Throne vis a vis Christ being in The Father and The Father being in Christ that portrayed it about as well as I’d ever heard of.

Nevertheless, I think Jesse also had a big problem trying to articulate what he’d seen.

I don’t think that verse has much to say about what I was trying to articulate.

[Quix]

LUB TOO BRO.

Thanks for your kind words.

[Mad Dawg]

If one thinks that God does NOT prioritieze HIS focus—particularly in His RELATIONSHIP with HIS KIDS, then I’d suspect that person had not read any of the Bible at all.

Start suspecting.

OR let's find some more and other words.

[mlizzy]

It's amazing to watch you guys jump the thru hoops to try to convince us and probably each other that your beliefs have some sort of basis in scripture...

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. --John 21:25

What do you suppose John was saying here? That the rest of what Christ did was unimportant, not valuable? Or that Tradition is a must for continuing the Church? Here's another verse:

So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. --2 Thessalonians 2:15

[Mad Dawg]

I can’t make out what you’re disagreeing with in stfassisi’s post.

[stfassisi]

Refute post #2249 and why you disagree with it,otherwise you have no case against it.

People are led to truth because they see your error and lack of defense

[stfassisi]

“”I can’t make out what you’re disagreeing with in stfassisi’s post.””

Quix, can you please explain to us what your thoughts are?

[Quix]

NO! I’m not at all a Docetism believer. Nor any of the rest of the 4 heresies mentioned. I’m Not a Nestorian. etc.

As I’ve noted relentlessly, I take Scripture at face value.

I do appreciate your candid insights in this post.

It’s interesting how the knee-jerk reactionaries of your cohorts absolutely seem to have NO CLUE what I was trying to say—re Christ focusing on HIS CREATOR GOD roles and priorities and negligibly on the past-and-done-with aspects of His mortal life and less than eternal aspects of his blood kin relationships.

I wonder if YOU understood what I was trying to articulate with such little success.

One thing about RC’s . . . maybe it’s from centuries of trying to pin down every nuance etc. . . . it seems that if there’s the slightest hair askew in an idea, presentation or argument—the main points get left in the dust so there can be a cat fight about the chaff. Sheesh.

[Quix]

[Quix]

[friendly laugh]

[Quix]

Much I can agree with in that.

I don’t think it touches what I was trying to articulate, however.

[Quix]

Throughout the Old and New Testament God demonstarted that

HE

HAD HIGHER PRIORITIES AND LOWER PRIORITIES

in HIS RELATIONSHIP with individuals, with Israel, with the world.

His Word declares He’s not changed.

I can’t imagine that He no longer has priorities.

I can’t imagine that He sits on His Throne uttering one interminable monotoned endless

OOOOHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[Mad Dawg]

I have to go to bed, gentlefolks. Carry on without me.

I'll cop,on behalf of the Catholic Church to trying to nail down every little nuance, but I say again, that was because controversies arose and in their arguing it was clear that the Good News would be compromised. The nuance nailing was in response to controversy and in order to protect the Gospel.

Consequently, IMHO, it's not a waste of time.

YOU're saying, I think, leave those dusty volumes and attend to my intuition: "Jesus was in some ways less than God."

WE're saying, "Indeed, in some ways he was. We went over that in pretty much detail about 1,500 years ago. You might be interested in what we concluded and why we concluded it. But, regrettably, it does involve dusty volumes."

[Quix]

Proddys do not see as remotely part of history or reality

that

Mary was in any sense

immaculate.

We see that as nonsense, heresy, rubberized history, fable, fantasy,

and hideous glorifying idolatry of the ISHTAR-MARY caricature.

[Quix]

Uhhhhhhhhhhh hello?

I think I know very well what I believe and don’t believe.

I don’t believe any of those heresies.