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Proof is in the eye of the beholder (REAL Mormon / LDS)
Mormon Times ^ | Michael R. Ash

Posted on 03/31/2011 5:32:42 PM PDT by Paragon Defender

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Part one. This is the predecessor to the last article I posted and is mentioned within it. Sorry for the order confusion.
1 posted on 03/31/2011 5:32:47 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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2 posted on 03/31/2011 5:49:37 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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3 posted on 03/31/2011 5:52:26 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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“If humans had incontrovertible secular evidence for the existence of God, they would be unable to freely choose whether or not to accept God.”

Need anyone explain how absurd this statement is?


4 posted on 03/31/2011 5:53:34 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Please spare Christians from criticism from the LDS. The LDS “religion” is a poorly put together man-made concoction from a “fortune finder” with a magic stone who has been roundly proven wrong on all counts.

The fact that this heretic and his “book” have sent so many followers to hell should be enough for all mormons to repent. I get the BYU channel on my cable station and am amazed at all the discussions of the history of this charlatan and his followers and how he’s going to sit next to Jesus on judgement day, and I just shake my head. May Joe Smith, Jr., wind up on KOLOB and stay there.


5 posted on 03/31/2011 6:03:23 PM PDT by laweeks
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For those who do not want to believe, there simply are no convincing (let alone intellectually decisive) evidences.

Well, this is very convenient for Mr. Ash. If someone criticizes the quality of the proof, then the problem is with the critic, not the proof.

Maybe Mormons should consider the converse of Mr. Ash's statement. They accept this tripe as evidence because they are so desperate to prove the BOM true that they are not critical enough.

6 posted on 03/31/2011 6:12:33 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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I get the BYU channel

Yes but it is always nice to watch the Perry Mason reruns every night. That is if I can stay awake.

7 posted on 03/31/2011 6:32:34 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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Warning:
 
This thread has been flagged as
Cultic Mormon Spam
by Christians on
FreeRepublic
 
 
Mormonism is a wolf in sheep's clothing... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (John 5:39)

Beware of FALSE prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are RAVENING wolves
...
For such are FALSE apostles,
DECEITFUL workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”

Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:15,  The Apostle Paul, II Corinthians 11:13

LET THE READER BEWARE!
 

8 posted on 03/31/2011 6:36:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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Book of Mormon...is unsupported by archaeological evidence.

It sure is. An ancient culture that supposedly had numerous cities and battles and etc. should have at least a shred of something to back it up archeologically. Ancient cultures inevitably leave things behind. Tons of ancient stuff has been found or dug up from ancient Babylonian, Israelite, Assyrian, Aztec, Olmec, Chinese, Brittanic, Celtic, and etc. culture(s). If all the stuff in the Book of Mormon is true, then why not even a shred of archeological evidence to back it up? This is a reasonable question to ask.

9 posted on 03/31/2011 7:01:01 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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The big question is not why anyone would reject the Book of Mormon. The big question is how anyone could possibly accept it.


10 posted on 03/31/2011 7:02:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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I doubt that any “proof” could ever satisfy those who have truly hardened their hearts against Joseph Smith.

In other words, the writer is saying that proof doesn't matter. "We have no proof, but hey, proof is not important anyway." Lol. Lame Dodge Attempt.

11 posted on 03/31/2011 7:04:39 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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Lol. True!


12 posted on 03/31/2011 7:05:26 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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What time do the Perry Mason reruns come on?


13 posted on 03/31/2011 7:08:55 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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The late Hugh Nibley once observed: “When a man asks for proof we can be pretty sure that proof is the last thing in the world he really wants.”

Stupider words have never been spoken.

14 posted on 03/31/2011 7:12:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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If I may, with respect. :)

While there are evidences that support religious convictions, there are no intellectually decisive proofs

For me it is a decisive lack of proof. The events of the BOM are huge. Huge civilizations, wars, animals, crops, armor, events. But there is no evidence of them ever having existed especially not near where the BOM claims.

One can doubt Christianity, but not Jerusalem, the Roman Empire, Galilee and on and on. If all these places and events in the Bible had the same lack of evidence as to their very existence, I would not be a Christian.

thanks for your post.

15 posted on 03/31/2011 7:32:56 PM PDT by D-fendr
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PD,

http://www.watchman.org/lds/bomarch.htm
...
"Despite all of F.A.R.M.S., and other similar
organizations, attempts, the facts set forth by
archaeologists continue to discredit the validity of the
Book of Mormon. It is thus not surprising that in the final
analysis, F.A.R.M.S. must admit, "However, proof of the
Book of Mormon remains in the spiritual domain," (1988-1989
Catalogue, p. 1)."

Thanks for making these posts for everyone to see the 
complete craziness of Mormonism.  No one will ever vote
for any politician that believes in Mormonism after
reading the stuff you post here.  Their judgment is
questionable.





16 posted on 03/31/2011 7:35:09 PM PDT by fulltlt
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What time do the Perry Mason reruns come on?

10:30 Mountain Time

17 posted on 03/31/2011 8:08:51 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the Inman FReepers Meet July 23 Pray Jim Rob Can Make It)
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The homosexual Raymond Burr sure put on a ‘macho’ performance!


18 posted on 03/31/2011 8:18:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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The big question is not why anyone would reject the Book of Mormon. The big question is how anyone could possibly accept it.

Cause they are ripe for deception at thier own choosing and peril. I personally think they go this root because they've rejected Christianity...Mormonism makes them "feel" accepted as it has just enough use of Christian verbage to appeal to what is already known to them...and just enough differnece to trick them.

19 posted on 03/31/2011 11:10:55 PM PDT by caww
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The events of the BOM are huge. Huge civilizations, wars, animals, crops, armor, events. But there is no evidence of them ever having existed


Sure there is. Not conclusive as of yet but yes there is. You should look such things on the links I provided for information.


20 posted on 04/01/2011 6:08:29 AM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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